Boxing Stance and Weight Distribution

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by mdef303, Sep 4, 2014.


  1. mdef303

    mdef303 New Member Full Member

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    Hey whats up pugilist's. I've been boxing for about 5 months or so now, and I love the sport, just got a passion for it, it doesn't help I'm Italian...lol.. anyways here it is..

    I have read that, in the boxing stance the weight should be more on the rear leg, on the other hand I have read that the weight should be equal between both legs or slightly on the lead leg. I have bought the Navy Boxing Book and it suggests 2 stances.. 1 - that the weight should be equal, or slightly over the lead leg. 2- the weight is more so on the back foot, with the lead leg as a pointer..as this is purely a defensive stance, it suggest.. which makes sense, because when I tend to put more weight on my back leg..my head is further out of range.. book is here.. go to amazon and type..

    "Boxing (Naval Aviation Physical Training Manuals)"

    Is where I basically study the sweet science..


    This is taking right from the Famous book... "Boxing - by R.G Allanson Winn/B. Fletcher Robinson" A staple read for every boxer.. (Type that into google and find the E-book)

    "The weight should evenly divided between the feet. The reasons being is thus advancing and retreating are made easier. If you stand say 3/4 of your entire weight on the left or advanced foot, and want to retreat, it will take longer to shift that weight than it would if you only had half the weight on the left foot. Similarly, with regard to the right foot, if you have 3/4 of your weight on it you would be longer in advancing than you would if properly balanced"

    I tend to agree honestly.. and having a slight edge on the ball of lead foot as an anchor..(like in the navy boxing book) you need the left to me stable when throwing the right hand... And a solid pivot for the hook...

    Awesome stuff...

    Another find..

    Passage - from the book "Edwin Haislet - boxing" basically the blueprint for the sweet science as the navy boxing book is almost word from word from Edwin's book...

    "The secret of the proper stance is to keep the feet always directly under the body. Which means that the feet should be a medium distance apart. Either the weight is balanced over both leg, or the weight is carried slightly over a straight left leg. With the left side of the body tunning a straight line from the left heal to the tip of the left shoulder. This position permits relaxation, speed, balance and easy movement as well as a mechanical advantage, making possible tremendous power"

    ..Priceless information..


    Whats your formula guys... Thanks..
    What is your take on this... Lets clarify this.. Thanks..
     
  2. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    Boxing off the back leg with the back straight and chin pulled backward and the body moving the head is generally known as British boxing there's a lot of trouble with that stance. First your open to getting hit in the head coming in, as well as the body being wide open. Secondly you could be pushed of balance or easily knocked down, much harder to do with weight being forward (linebacker's weight is on the front foot). Thirdly head-movement like bobbing and weaving, slipping and sliding is much harder to do off the back leg.

    lastly Dempsey and Tyson taught us that weight transference is done off the front leg. Google Jack Dempsey fighting championship book.
     
  3. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Isaac Newton taught us about Gravity, then we learned about movement and why. :D
     
  4. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    The first gym that I apprenticed at fired me, that was damn near half a century ago. Anyway the head coach at time was originally from the Emerald Isle who wanted the fighters to only throw a jab a straight right without the back heel kicking out as well as the head remaining backwards his stance resembled the caricature of the fighting Irish at Notre Dame university and his thinking was that God gave Jameson whiskey to the Irish to stop them from conquering the world he was great man eventhough he never produced a national champion. Yes he fired me because an American seaman taught me a rebellious and insolent punch called the hook.

    As he so poignantly put it one to the belly and one the chops and take that fatso.
    So I took one of the lads off into the corner and we worked on the 1,6,3 combination. Later that week during sparring he cleaned up on everyone the coach had to tell him only to throw jabs since others were complaining about a sore stomachs.

    Then at the end of the day he went into diatribe of what his goals and aspirations were and that I did not fit in.
     
  5. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whats that got to do with Gravity, please explain. :D
     
  6. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    1. Step in with the punch.
    2. Fall forward.
    3. Remember to keep your head down wards not backwards were you can get hit coming in. Lastly keeping your weight on the back foot will produce a stronger RH providing that you allow the head to fall forward. However the jab will weaker.
     
  7. mdef303

    mdef303 New Member Full Member

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    you never have your head forward when throwing the RH, power comes crom a quick pivot of the waist over the lead leg, transferring the weight to the lead leg. Never ever, have your head passed your lead leg.
     
  8. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All those things you mention will do is, ruin your proprioceptive ability and the ability to punch, while looking at the floor. Which moving like that, thats where you will finish up.
     
  9. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    Not over the front foot but I do like to have the head down whilst striking with the RH in order to prevent a check hook counter punch.
    Push into the ground and rotate into the hip push into core and core into shoulder, and shoulder into arm.
     
  10. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chin down restricts the shoulders and arms, muscles are already in use. So is the lower back and groin, which restricts the hips movement, fact.
     
  11. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Forgot it also restricts the diaphragm, by 50%, restricting cardio, thats for starters
     
  12. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    Well Scrap in The U.K the posture of a fighter is so erect that it is within a camel's hair off the metre stick. And I can understand that because that posture allows for weight transference and maximum striking leverage the problem is that in the United States the Americans have invented the checkhook so when a fighter from the UK throws his right hand or a jab he can be easily countered by a check-hook. Ricky Hatton was countered by this punch and was nearly picked off his feet and thrown into the crowd over the ropes by Mayweather's left hook. Ricky Hatton came in there like a good soldier straight back and throwing a hard punch and was very balanced Mayweather appeared to be off-balance his head was pulled back. The checkhook is a looping left-hand it is not a very good punch for maximum striking leverage there is very little power in that checkhook because it's A slap to the face.

    A severe problem in boxing is when a fighter has his head perpendicularly straight making it easy for a jab to land provided it gets by the gloves there is no way to protect the face when the head is not bent forward. Qawi had this problem when he first started boxing they had him standing up directly back straight and he said that he was eating jabs with his teeth and his head was snapping back when he came in with us we taught him to roll the spine forward bringing the chin down even when the punch did get past the gloves it didn't land squarely on the chin. This allowed him to get inside which he previously wasn't able to do when he was eating jabs all night long.

    Scrap there's no way to get inside long-range fighters reach when your head and your back is straight up there's just no way to get in there you have to take a tremendous beating just to get inside however if you roll your shoulders forward if you move side to side or roll in figure 8 the way Dempsey did your able to get inside but there's just no way that a guy who's fighting with the straight back is going to get inside. Being a little guy you have to curl your back forward don't straighten up.

    Jake lamotta invented this well actually it's an American methodology for getting inside and that is to bend your head forward obviously you're not putting your hands in front of your feet you're not putting your head in front of your feet you're just getting low enough to get inside what's known as a bull attack. What you're talking about is pure, Kamikaze making yourself fodder for the Canon just hoping that bit's and pieces of you will still be together so that you can knock out your opponent. I suppose her Majesty would be very honored at this style of fighting but this is hardly American fighting i.e Mayweather or Mike Tyson, Dwight Muhammad Qawi or Michael Spinks, Mike McCallum.

    Scrap there is a big danger when you throw the right-hand behind the jab because it allows a fighter to move their head to the left and throw a vicious hook to the head or to the body. Scrap I cordially invite you to review the fight with Mike Tyson versus Lou Savarese, Lou threw a shot and Tyson moved to his head left and threw the hook. I told him I think it was a 96 or 97 when he fought David Izon, I told Lou don't throw 1,2 combinations because this guy is going to move his head to the left every time you that you throw the 1,2 combo and guess what happens he does the opposite of what I told him not to do and he got knocked out with the hook in the fifth round.

    What did Holyfield do when he fought Tyson he came in with the head down and throwing a RH behind it.:bbb
     
  13. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At his best,Tyson was a backfoot fighter, who got leverage of the backfoot. Also the only thing that was bent were his knees, plus He had an excellent Jab. As He got older his feet got wider, then he bent his back. Then and only then did he lose the plot, also his lifestyle did not help.
     
  14. closedguard

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    Tyson never was never a Back foot fighter:patsch! Just ask teddy atlas, even better ask Kevin Rooney! I feel like giving you 6 of the best for saying that... Peekaboo is done by slipping to the left or moving your shoulder to your left leg but anyway right now I'm so angry at you saying, that I have to go away for a while. Respond again later.
     
  15. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Tyson was always a back foot fighter. That made him move as he did, if he was bent forward he couldnt have punched or moved like he did.:good