Boxing Training myths

Well what do you propose gives them their punching power? The power of gandhi blessing them in their mothers womb? There's science behind everything and everything can be improved on or developed. Obviously people have different strengths in different areas but saying a puncher is born and not made is old school hogwash. I've named some factors of punching power, I'm not gonna write you an essay explaining every single little possible factor. Don't forget things like strength to weight ratio, you don't have to be big and a beast in the weight room to have strength. Strength and speed equal power so just because someone is strong doesn't make them a good puncher. It's punches you don't see that cause the most damage.. you can go on and on with different things that contribute to punching power. To say that they were born a good puncher is lazy, black and white thinking. You could say they are naturally explosive but punching power is relative and encompasses so many different factors, you can't claim that something like that is an intrinsic attribute.

 

God gives them those gifts, just like God gives everybody every gift. Believe that.

 

Punchers ARE born with those abilities. Some people can learn how to punch a little better than normal, but people with devastating power in their fists (Tyson, Hearns, to name a few) are born with it, period. You can't take an average joe off the street, train him for years, and expect him to punch like Tyson...doesn't work that way. Some people have it, some don't.


Another example would be someone like Spud Webb (not boxing related)

The man said in his book that he could dunk when he was in high school, and he was 4'11". I don't give a **** how hard someone trains their legs, some people will never be able to dunk because they don't have the natural ability. You're either born with it, or not.

 

I think I get what lefty is saying and I agree 100%. If I'm right I think you'd all agree, just you're misunderstanding what lefty is trying to say. Then again I may be completely wrong.

Nobody is born with the ability to punch, however much you like to say god gave you gifts or whatever. Everybody is born as a blank slate. Some people are born that are naturally explosive and fast, some are slower but have more endurance etc. The people that are born explosive and fast have the ability to become devastating punchers, it has to be trained, you don't just suddenly wake up one day and know how to punch like a mother****er. Same with any other sports, skills have to start somewhat crap and be built upon. Sprinters don't just suddenly start running 100m in sub 10 seconds one day because "god gave them a gift". It takes years of dedication and training to become that good. Boxing is no different.

 

Hearns had very few stoppages in his amatuer days, terrible exmaple.

 

Sex before a fight is bad, old wives tale

 

He was 16-17 years old when he competed in the amateurs....Tell me he didn't have a shitload of KO's when he was pro, and actually grew up lol

Also, it was the amateurs.....so it doesn't matter. You're an idiot =(

 

If he had devasting punching power from birth age wouldn't be a factor and it wouldn't matter if it was amateur or pro fights.

You said it yourself, he "grew up" and developed his punching power when he was pro.

 

So by your logic, Tyson should have been knocking out people when he was 5 years old.....


no.

 

I think something that may help make sense of the whole body composition thing has to do with muscle types.

Type I Fibres

These fibres, also called slow twitch or slow oxidative fibres, contain large amounts of myoglobin, many mitochondria and many blood capillaries. Type I fibres are red, split ATP at a slow rate, have a slow contraction velocity, very resistant to fatigue and have a high capacity to generate ATP by oxidative metabolic processes. Such fibres are found in large numbers in the postural muscles of the neck.
Type II A Fibres

These fibres, also called fast twitch or fast oxidative fibres, contain very large amounts of myoglobin, very many mitochondria and very many blood capillaries. Type II A fibres are red, have a very high capacity for generating ATP by oxidative metabolic processes, split ATP at a very rapid rate, have a fast contraction velocity and are resistant to fatigue. Such fibres are infrequently found in humans.
Type II B Fibres

These fibres, also called fast twitch or fast glycolytic fibres, contain a low content of myoglobin, relatively few mitochondria, relatively few blood capillaries and large amounts glycogen. Type II B fibres are white, geared to generate ATP by anaerobic metabolic processes, not able to supply skeletal muscle fibres continuously with sufficient ATP, fatigue easily, split ATP at a fast rate and have a fast contraction velocity. Such fibres are found in large numbers in the muscles of the arms.


So, when you talk about people who may be too muscled, you might talk about a person who burns out quickly, is very powerful in short bursts, but spends his wad rather quickly.. This person may have ample type 2a muscle, which may not be desirable for a boxer looking to win 12 round decisions, or be prepared to go 12 rounds..

Ideally a boxer has a good mix of muscle types.. You certainly don't want to train to only increase your type 2a muscles packed onto a light frame.. There are times where you might prefer fat on a welterweight over type 2a muscle. On a heavyweight though, you are probably less worried about body composition, more worried your fighter can end the fight quickly, and go 12 rounds in reasonable fashion.

 

ohhhh....... God......... silly me of course it's god. That thing we created to ease our existential anxiety due to being too cowardly and lazy to take responsibility or think for ourselves. bleh

 

Yeah mate that's essentially what I'm saying, though I am saying that anyone can be a puncher. An explosive athlete has a good natural advantage but that's just one factor of punching power, I've seen guys who are relatively slow, average athletes but they can really punch due to excellent timing and technique. Everybody has strengths and weaknesses that need to be examined. If we don't examine we don't improve, that's why I object to idiotic drivel like 'punchers are born'.

 

He could dunk because he would've had a very high percentage of fast twitch fibres. That would be a genetic thing but childhood sporting experience plays a big part in that area, I'm guessing he spent alot of his early years playing bball and jumping, so on top of building those fast twitch fibres he would've really known how to use his levers due to practicing jumping all the time, he knew how to time and efficiently use his muscles to create the power to launch his small frame upwards. Just because he was better at those things than basically everybody doesn't mean he was born that way.

 

i agree and disagree. not everyone can box because it's not their passion. you could teach anyone off the street how to shred on the guitar with years of stretching exercises and practice, but you can't make them write beautiful music.

 

Agreed.