Dont get me wrong, id rather have an MMA background than simply a boxing background or a kickboxing or a Muay Thai background. The point im trying to make is that a real fight is just entirely different and sometimes being well-rounded wont win you a fight. Obviously if an MMA fighter fought average Joe he'd kill him but if the opponent happened to be a good to elite boxer it gets interesting. Tito Ortiz lost a REAL fight outside a club in London after a UFC PPV to Lee Murray. Murray is a striker who was actually an avid boxing fan and he bobbed and weaved from Titos punches and proceeded to unload a combo on Titos fat head. This is an actual true story and Liddell, Hughes, Miletich witnessed it firsthand. Ortiz was so pissed he wanted to fight Murray in the UFC despite Murray being a weight class smaller. With bareknuckles and the speed of a professional boxer it might not take 1 punch to do another fighter in but it wouldnt come down to that. It would come down to the flurry of punches. Think about it, a professional middleweight boxer KILLED someone due to a punch. Thats how much damage a professional boxer or great MMA striker, Muay Thai striker can do to somene. So id have to say whoever landed 1st would have a huge advantage. I'd also like to add that in a real fight you want to be standing because according to Randy Couture it leaves you with more options. When you're standing you can RUN. When you're grappling with someone you CANT. And the point you brought up is an interesting one. Chuck Liddell fought literally a NO HOLDS BARRED fight in Brazil. Im talking eye gouging, groin strikes etc. He said that its entirely different from MMA because the skills you learn in MMA do not defend against those kinds of attacks. And because of that Chuck had a tough time putting the guy away even though he was a much inferior fighter than Chuck. So lastly, without weapons etc its not a given that an MMA fighter can beat another fighter from another combat sport like a boxer or kickboxer. Because boxing, kickboxing are arguably the most practical forms of fighting in real life. I'd rather have an MMA background just for insurance because of their ability to fight on the ground etc but it wouldnt make them invincible. If im an all around MMA fighter and I catch myself in a flurry from David Haye my wrestling or Jiu jitsu isnt goign to do me any good. Even if I do get a clinch on him it wont do me any good as ill be pissing blood and ill be on ***** street.
Yeah thats the example I was thinking. But who the hell is the boxer and the guy hes fighting is one of the best kickboxers in the world in his weight class. Secondly, there was a boxer who won K-1 Max which is a HUGE kickboxing event designed for smaller fighters. Japanese boxer Injin Chi transitioned to Kickboxing and defeated a very good kickboxer after only a few months of training. Many of the top Muay Thai practitioners are Dutch and they work their hands extensively and it poses alot of problems for the Thai fighters even though the Thai fighters are the best in the world. Lastly, not to say it was fixed but Japan has a HUGE history of fixing fights in not only K-1 but Pride and other events. It wouldnt surprise me one bit to here that those fights were fixed.
an mma fighter will murder a boxer in a street fight any day...do you have any idea how hard a shin kick to the leg is...or to the head
So you are using two MMA fighters going at it to make the point that boxing is the better technique? atsch If I go up against a pro, I'm dead meat regardless of whether he is a boxer or MMA guy. But as a kid I was in many less fist fights than my opponents. They would swing, I would take them down, hold there nose until they opened their mouths and force fed them some grass. It ALWAYS worked for me. :deal
What were you fighting cows? This argument will go on forever. I truly believe a stand up fighter has the better advantage. I am a former streetfighter, but when I learned how to box, I was more diciplined. I fought smarter. RJJ against Gracie? A prime RJJ would catch him cold. I have much respect for MMA, but if you put a prime RJJ against a good MMA champion, I would put my money on RJJ. A boxer can learn how to pick-up some martial arts and wrestling, but a MMA figher needs much years to learn how to box. We will never know. These boxers like Mercer and Williams are no matches for these MMA fighers. They are not good examples.
Ok first of all, the likelihood of attempting a kick to the shin is slim in a street fight. It all depends on the environment. Not to mention attempting one might not be the most intelligent thing to do considering you're vulnerable for a takedown. You can get caught off balance, trip and fall down than you're screwed. Second of all, an MMA fighter with the exception of a couple have HORRIBLE kicks. You have wrestlers, BJJ guys that brush off leg kicks as if their nothing. You think a boxer is going to collapse from a low kick from Kenny Florian. HHAHA. There is more of a chance of standing in a street fight and in a situation like that a pure striker has much more of an advantage.
Lee Murray was a 185lb MMA fighter who was completely one dimensional with absolutely no ground game. He beat Tito Ortiz with PURE STRIKING. No kicks, JUST PUNCHES. Classic basic boxing techniques. He didnt clinch, didnt grapple. You hear about Don Frye losing to a 55 year old boxing coach? What about Krazy Horse Bennett apparently KOing Wanderlei Silva at a PRIDE event. Krazyhorse admittedly doesnt train at all. Just plays basketball but is super athletic with absolutely no boxing, kickboxing credentials and he knocked out a guy in Silva who outweighed him by 60lbs.
Mercer, Williams were washed up, old and couldnt even get sanctioned to fight in boxing. Not to mention they were out for a paycheque. What people need to understand when they say a boxer cant transition to MMA is that mediocre boxers like Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle, Jeremy Williams, Alessio Sakara have transitioned to MMA with alot less athleticism and success in boxing. THe one thing a guy like RJJ, Haye etc would have is SUCCESS, athleticism. These guys are world class athletes that have performed on the biggest stage. If Travis Lutter, Tim Sylvia and other mediocre athletes can succeed in MMA you can bet your ass that a world class athletic boxer could as well.
HAHA, sorry I had to quote this again. Well according to you its settled than. KICKBOXERS are the best street fighters in the world. Not MMA, Not Boxing, Not wrestling, Not Judo but KICKBOXERS. CONGRATULATIONS KICKBOXERS. atsch :good
Actually, the best kickboxing champs knew how to box. Dennis Alexio, James Warring, Don the Dragon Wilson, and that featherweight champ that threw over a thousand punches in one fight. I forgot his name. He is white and I believe from Texas. I used kicks to the side of the legs to get my punches off. Feinting, using a good jab, and the old one, two are a arsenal that alot of MMA fighters don't have. They throw a couple of haymakers and then try to take you down. Cintron was a wrestling champ in college I believe. I remember him saying that he would be interested in fighting in a MMA ring. I don't know about his movement. He would be taken down quick, but who knows how good his ground game would be.
You missed my point. Im saying that an MMA fighter is use to preparing against takedowns while striking unlike a boxer who is only worrying about punches being thrown. While those fighters are good in MMA. You won't see Chuck Liddell transfer over to boxing and have success.
Guys for say Couture-Lewis who wins scenario. This fight has to happen in order to know which is the better fighter. BUT the rules must favor "both" fighters. They both train for 3-4 months, but will not know till the last weigh in if it would be MMA, boxing, or just plain stand-up figthting. Say the draw would be MMA, Couture has to win, must win by submission or KO, if Lewis manages to survive and lose by decision, Couture loses the fight. If boxing or stand-up is drawn, then Lewis has to KO, TKO Couture to win, if Couture succeeds in standing for say 10 -12 rds, which I doubt, he wins. I believe the boxer wins in both instances, he has the better stamina. Bottomline, both has to fight the others field of expertise and at least draw/survive in unfamiliar territory and convincingly win in their respective sport. Boxers, I think can draw on stamina to pull themselves through.
MMA isn't the spectacle Boxing is and never will be. The history will never compare, either. I'm a Boxing fan, but I watch MMA too.
