Boxing vs MMA credibility wise.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by conditioner101, Sep 6, 2008.


  1. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lesnar fight Couture is a perfect example of how shallow the talent pool of MMA is. Could you imagine a guy 2-1 fighting Wlad, Pavlik, or Margarito? Thats a trend you often see in MMA. Guys with very few fights are fighting for title or are fighting the so called "elite" of MMA. WHy? Because they can. That's something that is just not possible in boxing.
    I give the MMA guys credit. They found a niche and are making it work, but if they could really fight they would be boxers. Thats where the real money is. In MMA you get in trouble you simply tapout, and that's acceptable. Get knocked down and the fight is usually over. Not so in boxing. It takes much more fortitude, talent, and mental discipline to make it to the top as a boxer.
    If an MMA fighter could make it in boxing why wouldn't they? Pavlik will make more money in one fight then GSP will in his whole career. MMA is a trend. A side show. More like pro wrestling then anything else.
     
  2. Blue145

    Blue145 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    2-1 is his UFC record though is it not? doesn't mean he's had 3 fights in his life.
     
  3. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    What do you think of kermit cintron leaving manny stewards?
     
  4. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    That's pretty much what it comes down to - for the serious fighters who compete in that sport at least, there's no question that's absolutely correct. These MMA fighters make chicken feed compared to the salary of a top boxer.
     
  5. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It validates what I always said, kermits problems are not physical, they are mental. No trainer can fix the fact the Kermit is weak mentally. He needs to go with thre Tin Man and visit the great and powerful OZ. Kermit has all the tools to be one of the best fighters ever. Unfortunately he is a front runner. He will be trouble for anyone that allows him to get confident. That is when his true talent comes out. If a guy can take a few shots from Kermit and not show any ill affects and crack him back a few times hard enought to make him think Kermit will most likely fold.
     
  6. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Credibility wise ????

    I don't see fighters in MMA mentioning money as an excuse not to fight dangerous opponents. MMA fighters claims they are the best in the division only when they have fought and won against the best or when they have the belt in their waist . . . unlike in boxing where we have fighters who proclaims themselves as the best while they are ignoring challengers call. :deal

    So who do you honestly think has more credibility? :D
     
  7. sinosleep

    sinosleep GIRL=nicole whittaker Full Member

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    I'm a bigger fan of boxing than mma but come on, at least in MMA the guys actually ****ing FIGHT each other. That's the reason so many of them have mediocre records, the best are forced to fight the best in the UFC. You don't get guys padding their records to 25 - 0 by fighting tomato cans before stepping up. They are thrown to the wolves from the get go.
     
  8. sinosleep

    sinosleep GIRL=nicole whittaker Full Member

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    Even if that were true, they're all still fighting each other. I don't remember the last time a champ got by on fighting scrubs while ducking the next guy in line.
     
  9. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would say alot of them are like that but many are trained primarily in martial arts.

    One thing I see that is pretty obvious is the difference in pure athletic ability for the most part.
     
  10. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    David Reid was a world champion in his 11th fight as a pro and fighting a hall of famer in felix trinidad for his 14th fight. I know that is not as bad as 2-1 but the gold medal is what did it for him.

    Were there better guys than Lesnar that could have fought tonight? Sure but his name means big money.
     
  11. cdnboxing

    cdnboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nope, hes 1-1 in the UFC, 2-1 in MMA.

    Lesnar is literally fighting for a title after THREE MMA fights.
     
  12. cdnboxing

    cdnboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    MMA fighters fight plenty of cans. Many of them are fighting in lower-tier organizations and get called to the UFC.

    The myth that boxers fight 30 cans before they get a title shot is completely inaccurate. They fight guys with different styles. Pavlik fought brawlers, boxers, southpaws, in-fighters, punchers as he progressed up the ranks.

    Amir Khan is a perfect example of being thrown to the wolves too soon. Its what happens in boxing when you're thrown into the fire too quickly.

    Meanwhile in MMA, you can progress much faster. If you had moderate athleticism, get with a good camp and work hard you can go very far in the sport with limited experience. This past years TUF reality show winner Amir Sadollah has no PROFESSIONAL fights and is now fighting in the UFC.

    MMA handpicks opponents as well. Dana White is no different from Don King or Bob Arum. White has his cash cows and wont risk them to lower-rank fighters. He puts his top guys in with people their supposed to beat.
     
  13. cdnboxing

    cdnboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People duck each other in MMA, all the time.
     
  14. Aniki

    Aniki Star Puncher Full Member

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    Don't be fooled. This fight is about making money. Lesnar doesn't deserve a title shot. Most MMA fans are pissed at this matchup. It's also worth noting that most of the best heavyweights aren't even in the UFC. So there you go.
     
  15. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Lesner fighting Couture would be purely based on money, Lesner is a name and the fight will be a big event.

    Apart from that, the reasons guys in MMA with not many fights fight guys with a lot of fights is due to the fact that most mixed martial artists are experienced in one discipline such as jiu-jitsu, sambo, wrestling, kickboxing, muay thai, etc and go into MMA with a good background in one of those arts. BJ Penn has been taking on world class guys since his MMA debut because he was so experienced in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.