Boxing vs MMA in a fight Who Would Win? Best Explanation

I disagree.

Most of the guys I see on their feet in MMA have terrible balance and in my opinion are just not very good.

In fact the only black belt BJJ guy in town says he will teach the middleweight Golden Gloves champ BJJ for free because he feels he will dominate everyone based on his superior stand up.

He learns some leg checks, it's over.

That squared up Muy Thai stance only works in Muy Thai gyms. The only effective kicks I've seen are Tae kwando, but it seems like once you get inside their range, they're done.

And being kicked in the legs isn't as bad as being punched in places that hold vital organs.

Honestly, are you really in awe when you watch guys like Bisping fight?

They look pathetic.

 

To be honest, of course it depends on Skill, but beyond that it's about the athlete. And a lot of guys in MMA are average athletes in my opinion as far as things like speed and coordination are concerned.

 

Bisping uses boxing in his fights more than anything..

Someone who knows Muay Thai like Shogun or Anderson Silva would beat the hell outta a prime Tyson or any other P4P HW.

 

I thought this was a boxing v MMA thread? Learning how to check leg kicks isn't part of a boxers game.

Someone can get kicked in the leg and blow there knee out. They don't even leg kick in TKD.. Leg kicks seem to be the most used and effective in MMA IMO.

 

I see where you're coming from here, but you're not taking levels into consideration. Just because someone 'knows Muay Thai' doesn't mean they'll beat someone who only 'knows boxing.'

Now my point with LaMotta was partially yes, because he was a brawler. But he was also a boxer. He could fight in a clinch and he was good at getting the fight to his range. There are very few top level boxers who qualify as 'brawlers.' There's much more to boxing than bumrushign a guy and swinging at him, and you probably already understand this if you're ever boxed even at low levels.

An outfighter like Robinson would stand no more than a puncher's chance, unless the MMA fighter was well below his level.

 

I had 6 amateur fights, but haven't competed in a good 6 years. I know what you mean.

I see you're point about Robinson and LaMotta.. And to be honest you make a good case in this point.

All things equal (skillzzz).. I say the MMA beats the boxer 7/10. In both martial arts and MMA, fighters do not protect their heads or bodies that well at all.

 

Of course they are effective, but that's also because most people don't know how to fight standing up in MMA.Silva will bust someone up with some jabs.And that comment regarding Mike Tyson, you've got to be crazy.There is a video of Silva in WILD CARD gettin ROCKED by an amateur fighter, a begginer even, where if Silva didn't have the headgear, he would have been OUT.Tyson is the most aggressive heavyweight of all time, and maybe the fastest.One punch, and Silva is done.Not to mention the fact that Tyson comes from a different breed. He bit Evander Holyfield's EAR off. He would do anything to win, so even if Silva does manage to get him on the ground, he'll do whatever it takes and even kill Silva if that's what needs to be done.Tyson isn't a regular person. He's a tamed killer.

 

Off the top of my head, Mercer vs. Sylvia.

Again, just because a person trains to throw elbows, knees, and kicks doesn't mean they're automatically going to be able to execute against a person who is essentially an expert at punching and controlling distance.

Now if that MMA fighter was a good Muay Thai fighter AND had a good ground game, then the boxer is going to be in trouble. But Mauy Thai and Kickboxing do not necessarily trump boxing in effectiveness just because they allow more techniques.

 

That's because Silva was boxing brah.. He wasn't in a "fight" like the title asks. The same thing would happen to Tyson if he was sparring someone of the same skill level that would be doing a whole lot more than throwing punches at him. Boxing is my first love, and I love Iron Mike, but he would get clowned hard by Anderson Silva in a fight. Sure, he could smother Silva and slam him on the ground, but Tyson would get submitted in seconds if the fight went there with Silva.

In a fight and MMA, there are so many variables and ways to win. You put a boxer in either setting with a MMA, and he will only have one way to win and fight.

 

A MMA with decent ground game and an exceptional stand up could have his way with the boxer. A boxer would know jack **** about fighting off his back or on top. He will be reversed, submitted, and put away shortly after a fight hits the ground.

On his feet, most MMA would have this even if they didn't come from a Muay Thai, kickboxing, or kicking backround. Bisping was mentioned earlier.. Bisping knows how to throw leg kicks. Hell, I've seen BJ Penn headkick someone before. Most MMA can throw some decent kicks in a fight.. Not to mention knowing how to defend them. No boxer out there is going to know how to check a leg kick, and if they did then they would know more than boxing.

 

Exactly! You fight how you train, and the fight in you is how your attitude is! If you hit the bag with some intensity, and practice some combos..Your gonna do the same **** to Joe Blow on the street! If you have the attitude I'm not going to lose/ get hurt no matter what...Somebody chokes you from behind, and you squeeze there sack!

At the end of the day I'll be the dirty fighter that is chilling at the mall, at the gym working out, hitting my bag at the house...Not the dude laying in the hospital bed thinking *can't believe that guy just crushed my balls*. I'm quite strong, I'm a fairly decent boxer, practice some JKD, but at the end of the day if I can't beat you fair, I'll beat you dirty. If I do not win the fight, I will make sure you will never be the same again either. Street fighting isn't playing...People can get seriously hurt

 

Well this is a new topic. Always good to see fresh new idea's in this forum. How about MMA Vs tiddlywinks? Or how about MMA Vs syncronised swimming?

 

This is a very confusing thread.

Boxing is a sport with very strict rules. The minute you allow dirty boxing or shots below the belt then guess what? ITS NOT BOXING. That's even more so for thing like weapons, biting, etc.

To me there are three questions. In discipline vs. discipline contests will the boxer usually win. History has shown that boxers usually do not win, with the numerous wrestler vs. boxer matches usually ending in the wrestler winning. The reason is that a boxer's skills are very tightly defined and the opponent usually has someone to add that can neutralise them - a kickboxer can better exploit range due to the reach advantage from kicks while a wrestler/grappler can just take them down. Nothing particularly interesting in this though...after all a boxer is a boxer, a wrestler is a wrestler, etc.

The second is whether a fighter could dominate in a MMA fight with just boxing. The answer to is no. There's too much going on in a MMA fight for a boxer to just walk in with no ability to defend against kicks, takedowns, clinch grappling, jiu-jitsu and expect to prosper on a consistent basis. That doesn't really say anything significant about boxing though - no fighter dominats in MMA simply by excelling in one discipline. Even someone like Lesnar needs to compliment his wrestling base with boxing and jiu-jitsu.

So the meaningful question is this, could somebody use boxing as a base and become a top fighter while adding elements from other disciplines - or is boxing uniquely ill-suited to MMA? I not only think a boxing base can bring success in MMA but have seen it happen - look at the Penn vs. Edgar fights; both fighters were clearly leading with their boxing despite one being a grappler and the other being a wrestler. That gave the fight the exact same dynamic as a classic puncher vs. out-fighter match. Now boxing probably won't be as extensively used as other disciplines because there's real money to be made in it, so the best boxers will stay in boxing. But boxers could have success in MMA, but like everyone else they need to develop an all-round game.

 

You say all this, but most MMA guys that stand up wouldn't know **** what to do with someone that could actually box.

These guys are two guys in the ring throwin punches. Just because they are doing that does not make them boxers.

The look like ****, and the level of athleticism is subpar.

You can't honesty believe tht Silva would stand a CHANCE with Tyson in standup. It would be over in a moment of seconds. Tyson is WAY too fast.

His kicks wouldn't do ****. He wouldn't even be able to get his kicks off.

The only way for him to beat Tyson would be to drop his dignity.

I mean, look what happened just recently. You had ESPN doin a documentary about how Couture has all these stand up tools at his disposal and how he would beat Toney standing up.

What really happened?

He was so scared to engage Toney, rightfully so, that he went straigth for the wrestle.

Nobody in MMA could stand up with James Toney. Even James Toney at this level. They have to wrestle to win. That's all there is to it.

 

A MMA wouldn't know what to do with someone who is only going to throw fists??

Tyson would have no defense for what Silva would do to him in a fight. Silva knows enough about evading someone who is only going to throw fists. Silva is fast too, and fast enough for Tyson in a real fight. The call him "The Spider" for a reason, the man is quick and all over the damn place. He would dance on Tyson and any other predictable boxer. Against a MMA like Anderson Silva, he would get beat in so many ways even on his feet. Leg kicked until he is ineffective, Muay Thai clinch, elbow from left field, headkick, flying knee a la Jose Aldo, etc etc. And we are talking stand up here. You already know that once a fight goes to the ground it is over for the boxer. I don't even know how we got into a conversation where the MMA is rendered to only standup lol.

What you must realize is that MMA are taught to defend more than just punches, whereas a boxer is only limited to punching and blocking them.

If Tyson fought a good wrestler like a prime Mark Kerr he would get it just as bad. A traditional boxing stance is wide open for TDs.

Why in the world would a wrestler in Couture stand and trade blows with Toney? He isn't known for his legs, why would he do that? That would be like Toney going for a takedown in that fight. Do you realise how stupid that sounds? It goes both ways.