Boxing's Ten Commandments (from a technical perspective)

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Keep your hands up

    Ali, Jones, Hearns

    Starling, Tyson, Arguello
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    1) Defense should be the root of all offensive. Whether it be through great upper body movement, protecting yourself with your guard, or using your legs, or perhaps head movement. Any style or method that keeps you out of harms way from punches will stem offense back at your opponent. This isn't a rule for just the counter-punchers, and aggressive fighters can counter punch too. And using defense, just for the sake of alluding and confusing your opponent EVEN if he isn't throwing punches is still a great thing. This rule, stems with the rule of all RULES to PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES. Defense is necessity, and a great weapon of choice.

    Confirmation: Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, James Toney, and Floyd Mayweather.

    Falsification: George Foreman

    2) Mindfulness and focus is the key to success in the squared circle. Similarly to life, mindfulness and focus are very important in the ring. Don't fall for traps, and be aware of your surroundings. Try to notice patterns, or the predictable nature of your opponents move and attack. This isn't a law of boxers, but a law for great boxing success. Mindfulness and focus can relate to the power of the will and heart. If you're heart and will are there, be sure your mind be too.

    Confirmation: Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Jersey Joe Walcott, Willie Pep.

    Falsification: George Foreman, Michael Moorer

    3) Be unpredictable. Even the smartest and greatest of fighters can fall into the lure of being predictable. Try to vary your attack. Vary your movement, vary your combination. Don't be a movement of repetition. Be the movement of unpredictability.

    Confirmation: Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Robinson

    Falsification: Joe Frazier, David Tua.

    I'm trying to sound wordy, pretentious, and biblical if you haven't notice. I should really think this and maybe ponder more and come back.

    *Edit* Since this is a technical perspective. I'm being far too vague and not confining it to technical boxing enough. I shall re-think some more.
     
  3. TonyCamonte

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    1 – Thou shall always keep your balance.
    2 – Thou shall keep your chin down.
    3 – Thou shall keep your hands up.
    4 – Thou shall move your head.
    5 – Thou shall work behind your jab.
    6 – Thou shall step with every punch.
    7 – Thou shall turn your punches over.
    8 – Thou shall work both body and head.
    9 – Thou shall double up your punches.
    10 – Thou shall “set up” your punches.

    Not all of them are purely technical, though…

    And off the top of my head:
    (Correct me if I’m wrong)

    1
    Confirmation: Jersey Joe Walcott
    Falsification: Naseem Hamed

    2
    Confirmation: James Toney
    Falsification: Muhammad Ali

    3
    Confirmation: Alexis Arguello
    Falsification: Muhammad Ali

    4
    Confirmation: Mike Tyson
    Falsification: Ricky Hatton

    5
    Confirmation: Winky Wright
    Falsification: Roy Jones Jr.

    6
    Confirmation: Bernard Hopkins
    Falsification: Wladimir Klitschko

    7
    Confirmation: Alexis Arguello
    Falsification: Joe Calzaghe?

    8
    Confirmation: Julio Cesar Chavez
    Falsification: ?

    9
    Confirmation: Muhammad Ali
    Falsification: George Foreman

    10
    Confirmation: Alexis Arguello
    Falsification: Roy Jones Jr.
     
  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Good list man.

    8. can be Ali. He only really worked the body in the Cleveland Williams fight.
     
  5. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Love the Charlton Heston post, an absoluteky sensational opening .. If a fighter can take a good punch and he has a decent jab and a good uppercut then he cant go far wrong ..... The 2 most important punches in boxing are the jab and uppercut and if you can take a decent shot then you'll be a threat .. Boxing is all about the Jab ..
     
  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Against southpaws, ......circle to your left, use right hands & left hooks, and don't forget to jab. If you can back the southpaw up...even more the better.
     
  7. Bioyhh

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    No. 8 might also be Cooney. Strangely, given the height advantage he had over most of his opponents, Cooney spent a lot of time working the body and neglecting to move up the ladder. I think that cost him dearly in the Holmes fight.

    This is a good list, and it appears that Arguello was the most pious fighter, as he's the exemplar for 3 of the 10 commandments. Just for variety's sake one might substitute Danny Lopez as the exemplar for No. 7.
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I think Cooney went to the head more then Ali went to the body.
     
  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    1. You should always be lookign to throw combinations and avoid single shots.

    Example: Arguello, Pep, Whittaker, Duran, Robinson, Leonard etc....

    Non example: Jones Jr ?????


    2. The jab should be the most important punch

    Example: Whittaker, Leonard, Robinson, Ali, Pep, Arguello, etc....

    Non Example: Jones Jr ????

    Im not meaning to pick on Roy Jones but i genuinly cant find any other examples of the top of my head
     
  10. horst

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    For number 1 - Mayweather at welterweight

    For number 2 - Manny Pacquiao
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    thanks give Roy Jones some company
     
  12. horst

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    Thou shalt not get drawn into firefights with younger, bigger, fresher, stronger opponents.

    Confirmation: Julian Jackson (vs Gerald McClellan)

    Falsification: Duran (vs Moore and Barkley)
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    3. Emphasis should be placed on defence and offence equally

    Example: Duran, Whittaker, Napoles, Benitez,

    Non-Example: LaMotta, Greb, Robinson
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    OK i'll have a spin.


    OFFENCE
    1 - Thou Shalt Stay On Balance.

    It's interesting to me that there's disagreement - even now - about to what degree a fighter should sacrifice balance in favour of defence, or rather ease of balance. Basically this boils down to how square a fighter should stand behind his lead foot, just to stress the difference between standing square, which is about footwork/position, and coming square, which is about shifting out of the traditionally taught "side on" presentation of the fighter to the opponent showing the smaller target. My thoughts have always been that a fighters individual stance should be defined by styles (Calzaghe, Frazier) or the fighter's individual attribute, balance. A naturally well balanced fighter can afford to present the smallest target possible (Ali, Hopkins) whereas a fighter that is less "naturally" balanced can come a little squarer in order to maintain balance (Sam Peter). I'd treat both styles equally for that reason, I don't see one as superior to the other, although a fighter could be "mis-trained".

    Key to balance is the ability to transfer the weight of a punch. The difference between an arm-punch and 100% lethal torque can be weight-transfer on balance. The past-master in this department, that department is Bernard Hopkins.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNASdyzcQ54[/ame]

    One of the reasons Hopkins-Calzaghe was so fascinating was that these were two opposites in terms of balacne. Hopkins is oen of the most perfectly balanced fighters in history, Calzaghe is horribly balanced. Joe is able to harass better balanced fighters because he doesn't get "set" in the traditional way, he launches sudden attacks from traditionally impossible angles and positions and explosiveness. It makes it very hard for the "traditional fighter (Hopkins) to remain on balance. But Hopkisn remains on balance througout this fight.

    For a fighter known primarily for his defence, Hopkins is always ready to transfer his weight and punch properly from the balanced position, in spite of Joe's (perfect) tactic to keep Hopkins on the move and off balance. Traditional thinking holds that a fighter moving away loses power. Here's a fighter who embraces those traditions without losing the power. There are examples all over the above linked film. A good one is from around 3.25. Hopkins has been on the move throughout, he's movin away from his man and to his right. Because he is moving often Hokins is breaking up his steps into frequent very very small moves (which cost him, probably, but is still technically correct) making sure that his balance is "on" for every single one of them, and so is able to bring across a non-traditional arced right hand when the opportunity presents itself, inspite of the fact that this punch requires him to transfer his balance all the way across against a much faster, younger fighter who is in a traditional position of superior balance (moving forwards in small incriments) without placing himself in serious danger. His balance enhances his speed, explosiveness, defence, accuracy and power.


    Later in the fight, at the end of seven, Calzaghe is moving forwards very badly balanced throwing slapping punches. Hopkins does not panic despite being swarmed, stays on balance and throws a clipping right hand, best seen here at 4:35:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FuS1Dc0XBk&feature=channel[/ame]

    This fight was seen as controversial. People have scored it quite wide both ways. I had it close for Calzaghe. Whatever the truth, the above clip captures the essence of the fight. Calzaghe throws many seemingly less hurtful punches and Hopkins throws a single punch that appears more affective. The slow motion may tell another story, but the judges do not have access to slow motion replays. Whatever your own feelings about this fight I think the reason it has become so debatable was specifically Bernard's wonderful balance. He's able to flip a stylistic dis-advantage and turn it to his advantage based upon this single attribute.

    There's a reason it would be #1 on my offence list.​
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tactical/mental not technical ;)