Boxnation Show about Hopkins V Calzaghe

yeah but for a guy who held a proper world title for only a few months its not a bad result, Jermaine Taylor and Chad Dawson held full world titles for years and were able to defend then, something joe was unable to do, so you'd expect them to beat old Hopkins. but for a wbo eurolevel champ, its not a bad result.

 

Joe wanted no part of Dawson when he moved up to LHW. He always said he knew his limitation but I think that after beating Lacy and Kessler he began to get a bit c.ocky. But the Hopkins fight brought him crashing back down to Earth and he decided to end his career by fighting a shot Jones, a fight he had previously said was pointless and that he's be disappointed if he finished his career like that.

 

for his display of bull**** antics throughout the fight alone, hopkins deserved to lose.

 

Its funny how people try and rewite history after Calzaghe beat Hopkins. At the time people in Hopkins team suggested retirement to him after Calzaghe handled him.
Most saw Calzaghe as the winner.

That is just a small part of the list showing some of the facts

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I understand that Hopkins is an American legend that people want to see as an iconic figure. America love a reformist and Hopkins as a former armed robber turned world champ is just the story that wins Americas hearts but...

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1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins. - Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

I think thats enough. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111 at that time
8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.


Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.


What I do note is that nobody seems to mind Hopkins lost to Taylor. In the first Hopkins/Taylor fight, Jermaine was badly hurt and Hopkins looked the stronger at the end, yet it seems to upset alot of these people that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Appears very biased.

 

Well Dawson was a real champion so of course Joe didn't want him. Then only real champions joe fought in his entire career were lacy and Kessler, his last two fights, and only when he HAD to, and even these he tried to chicken out of. So its no surprise he ran from dawson and froch. Good wins for him mind you, kess and lacy, def a step up for him.


but yes, why would Joe take a tough fight, he didn't want them AS HE CLEARLY SAID (unless your name is baileyboy). That's likely why he waited for Bern to age so that he wouldn't have a tough fight with him. He almost got it wrong, imagine if he had only waited four years and not six, Bernard in his thirties would have poleaxed his unbeaten record.

So I don't blame joe either way. A mans gotta know his limitations, as some famous person once said.

 

more solid than any of JOes punches, I'll give you that.

 

joe did very well for a guy who had not proved himself capable of keeping genuine world title for more than a few months in the way that Taylor, Hopkins, Dawson and Froch do.

In another era he would have made an excellent undefeated European champion. I am just going on what he actually did, by the way, don't shoot me.

 

Explain what the title had to do with it? Who at SMW was going to beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe has the best SMW resume there is.
Below is an old post where bits have changed, but even you should be able to understand
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Where you have written for the WBO vs limited competition.
I just wanted to highlight some details to you.
The SMW divisions first world champs were WBC 1988, WBA 1987, IBF 1984 & WBO 1988.
Now for a start it is a new division so no belt has any more prestige than the other as they were all started at a similar time. So the WBO SMW title has no less prestige than the others.
Consider also that the WBO at SMW has been involved in 4 unification bouts.
The IBF has been involved in 2
The WBA in 3
WBC in 4 also
This shows that the WBO has been as willing to make top fights at SMW as much as any other governing body.

Now look at the list of champs in each and who they defended against and you can see that the WBO SMW title has produced the best defences overall better than all of the other govening bodies in this particular weight division so far.
Consider how much critism Bute gets now for his IBF defences.
Consider M Beyer defending his WBC title against 26-14-5 fighter who was coming off of a win against a 0-2-0 fighter
Or that Mundine when defending the WBA title against a 24-13-5 fighter who was the same fighter that WBC champ Beyer was defending against above.

People bring up Eubank who helped mould the belt that was good enough to give T Hearns a slice of history making. Out of Eubanks 18 WBO SMW title fights 14 of those fights were against fighters who were, had been or became top 10 SMWs. One was a unification and another was against the undefeated former IBF SMW champ (relinquished his title). In fact 6 of the fighters he faced had been or became world champs
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Now Herol answer in detail who would have beaten Calzaghe in your opinion at SMW when he was ruling the division and which other champs who were around when he was active that you think would have beaten him

 

Odd isnt it how T Bradley is involved in 3 SDs in a row, where many didnt think he beat Pac, had 2 KDs scored against him against Provodnikov and in his last win, 30 year old Bradley beats 40 year old Marquez and Bradley is highly rated

but

old Calzaghe beats undefeated SMW champ Lacy, future SMW champ Bika, Manfredo, undefeated SMW champ Kessler, then 36 year old Calzaghe beats 43 year old LHW champ Hopkins who at LHW didnt lose at LHW to Tarver, Wright, Pavlik, Jones, Dawson 1 (not Dawson 2), Cloud etc

This shows how insecure Calzaghe seems to make many of the haters

 

its odd because its not true, everyone questions Bradley for inching out a 40 year old.

get a grip bailey.

 

Honestly, how anyone thought Hopkins won more than 5 rounds is beyond me.

 

in your dreams no one.

Joe didn't want tough fights then Joe losing wasn't a reality. The only times he might have lost are his three tough fights, with Reid, Kessler if he was injured and Hopkins if he'd been a mite younger.

its not even the best in England.

why do you always repeate quote something disproved years ago? 11/10 for effort mind you.

aha trick question, calzaghe never ruled the division when he had the wbo belt. he only ruled when he unified briefly, and then ran from the other titles so how could he have faced anyone in the few days that he held the other titles? AHA!

I see you are trying to be too clever, Bailey.

 

clearly this reply of mine cut you deep bailey.