BoxRec has Whyte ranked higher than Wilder

He isn't wrong

 

He probably does tbf

Still favor Wilder head to head however

 

When did I say Whyte had a better record? I literally said I'd keep Wilder 4th over Whyte.

Their records are close, there's not much in it. I think Whyte has the better win over Parker, who I consider above Ortiz. But because Whyte has that loss vs Povetkin, that brings it down. If Whyte had beaten Povetkin pre-covid, I'd say that would put him higher, but he didn't.

Also I don't really like your logic that knockouts are somehow more impressive than points victories? Going the distance with someone and beating them by decision is not an inferior win to KOing them. Wilder is a KO machine, he doesn't win via any other method.

Oscar Rivas has a similar record to Ortiz, with both of them having Jennings as their best win, and Ortiz almost beat Wilder in the first fight when it could have easily been waived off in the 7th round. Wilder went all out to beat Ortiz when he was 39 years old. Ortiz was winning on points despite the early knockdown, until the final knockdowns.

Whyte dominated most of the match vs Rivas and outboxed him, as well as dominating Pov pre-covid before he got caught, and also beating Parker on points as well.

TL;DR - You can pick holes on both of their records mate, but there's not much in them. But realise I never said Whyte's was better, I'd give the edge to Wilder, but mainly because of Whyte's loss to Povetkin. If that loss was a win, Whyte's would be better.

 

What's outrageous about that statement? Who are Ortiz's five best wins? Who's his best win in the past five years?

I'll answer that last one. Christian Hammer. A UD over Christian Hammer. The guy that just got stopped in six by Hughie Fury.

 

And so what? Jennings fought like an idiot throwing away his reach advantage to duke it out on the inside. That's Ortiz's best win.

 

Nah much as i think Wilder is a tool he's above Whyte. Wilder only lost to the #1 Fury, Whyte was ktfo by a waaaaay past it Povetkin. And H2H i'd say it's 60:40 in favour of Windmill.

 

So Chisora's 11 losses doesn't play a role in this at all?

 

When you said it.

 

Knockout wins are more impressive than going the distance.

Washington knocked out Helenius. Duhaupas knocked out Helenius. Watch Washington and Duhaupas KO Helenius. Watch Whyte win a boring 12-round decision over Helenius. Tell me which fights you are more impressed by.

C'mon. This is nonsensical.

When you settle who wins by KO, that's more impressive than waiting around for a judge's verdict.

Which was more impressive to you? Whyte winning a decision over Chisora or Whyte KOing Chisora?

 

These are two slightly different arguments.

Wilder lost 2 fights against Fury officially and 99% of knowledgeable observer's had Fury winning the other, too.
The Fury fights do absolutely nothing to enhance Wilder's resume - they show what his level is not, rather than what it is.
Or, if you prefer, the Wilder-Fury fights don't improve Wilder's resume because he was outmatched and lost even to the unfit Fury in #3 and arguably the even less fit Fury in #1 as well.

The argument that he never wanted to fight anyone decent is a separate one.
There's a reasonable argument to be made that #1 was a cherrypick gone wrong.
It's harder to argue that the second wasn't an attempt to step up, sure.

None of this changes that Wilder's best win is Ortiz.
None of this changes that Ortiz himself is overhyped and has a thin resume of his own.
None of this changes that Wilder ducked AJ and even ducked Whyte, both of which are a matter of public record at this point and still count against him.

Judge Wilder's H2H potential however you want, the man didn't pass muster against the only genuine contender he ever fought - losing to both fit and unfit versions of Fury... As you would've expected if you'd judged him by his resume rather than by his hype.

 

Look who they come against...

Most of them are against legit contenders or elite fighters:
Fury x2
Vitali
Usyk
Haye
Whyte x2
Parker
Pulev

That accounts for 9 of the 11.

All of these guys have significantly better resumes than Ortiz... They count as much against Delboy as losing to Wilder does against Ortiz.

 

Wilder's last five fights -
* Tyson Fury (Current World Champ) - Draw
* Dominic Breazeale (Currenly Unranked) - KO win
* Luis Ortiz (Current #7) - KO win
* Tyson Fury (Current World Champ) - TKO loss
* Tyson Fury (Current World Champ) - KO loss


Whyte's last five fights -
* Derek Chisora (Currently Unranked) - KO win
* Oscar Rivas (Current #9) - Decision Win
* Mariusz Wach (Currently Unranked) - Decision Win
* Alexander Povetkin (Currently Unranked) - KO Loss
* Alexander Povetkin (Currently Unranked) - KO Win

 

You left off the loss to Agit Kabayel.

So, Wilder flooring the Current World Champion Tyson Fury four times in three fights, Wilder drawing with him in a SUCCESSFUL WBC HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE DEFENSE in their first meeting, and Wilder ONLY losing to Fury does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to enhance Wilder's resume.

But Chisora losing 11 times (again, you left off Agit Kabayel) ... is AMAZING!!!??

Using your own argument, doesn't Chisora's losses show he's not even on the same level as Agit Kabayel?

You lose.

 

By that reasoning AJ is hardly at the level of Ruiz.

And Whyte hardly on the level of Povetkin.

Honestly I think Wilder knocks AJ out. Wilder drops everyone. When he drops AJ I don’t think AJ will be able to keep it together and recover.

 

I bet they don't put Wallin in at #4 if he pulls off the win.