Boxrec is a joke!!!

He beat the man who beat the man who beat the man.

 

eridie has fought no one his last challenger was fighting 6 rounders a year ago

 

This thread is about as predictable as the seasons, every few months it comes up. The ratings have nothing to do with anybody's opinions.

The ratings are completely generated with a mathematical logarithm. The P4P ratings have never worked quite right, because it's hard to come up with a system that works for divisional rankings and as a comparison between weights. I believe the P4P is largely determined by how dominant the fighter is at their weight.

The divisional rankings are great. People can obviously disagree with the top 5 or whatever, but why do you need an objective system to rate them or P4P anyway?

 

New brand of anti - puerterican computer-based ranking system. It also works on things like food (empanadillas didn't even make the top 500 best snack foods in the world?!?! come ON!)

Boxrec rankings cannot be managed by people, too much information. However they should make a p4p list based on actual opiions, cuz it's an amazing reference site.

 

:good :good

Exactly!

 

agreed. Its just they have the wrong things weighted in their computer rankings. Wins and types of wins over the ratings of past opponnents. For instance, Tye Fields was rated 20 mostly because he had lots of ko wins worth more points even though most of the guys he fought were top 200, plus older wins count too long. then Monte Barrett knocks him out and jumps way up despite having recently been ko'd by Cliff Couser...go figure. I think the IBO has a better comp ranking system but its still not perfect..it seems to me that with all that can be done with computers, there should be better computer rankings.

 

Before you all go overboard about how much boxrec sucks, read this:

http://www.secondsout.com/Columns/index.cfm?ccs=208&cs=26706

It's a great article and it reminded me how lucky we are that it exists...

 

Boxrec Is A Joke...ive Looked At It Since 2003 Or So...however Pavlik Is The Number 1 Middleweight In The World...hed Beat The Living Hell Outta Arthur

 

Why not?

 

Obviously there isnt any tought in there ranking, its automated. Its just meant to give a general idea of whos out there.

 

Boxrec's ranking system is based off a mathematical computer system

LOL @ accusing a computer of being racist

 

What the ****

 

I'm glad you're arguing the point correctly - the ratings are not a measure of how good a fighter is, but how much they've accomplished. And I think it's reasonable to say that Cotto has accomplished more. But it helps to understand how the formula works to criticize it properly.

I don't know all that much about the details either, but I think there are two main reasons Diaz has more points. 1 - he dominated his division a little more than Cotto had before they each lost. Part of this is because the welterweight division was more hard to figure with fighters beating each other. The only other claimant at lightweight was Casamayor. 2 - Diaz lost by SD and Cotto got knocked out. I do know that the types of results matter. I actually think their careers were pretty similar up to the point that they lost.

But, again, the BoxRec rankings are not designed to compare fighters from different weights. Also, it would probably make more sense to have a sensible qualitative ranking system when you are only looking at fighters that everybody has seen (assuming you can find sensible, unbiased voters, which is pretty hard). Quantitative, objective rankings have some inherent flaws - they can be manipulated and they can have statistical outliers - but they are a necessity if you want to rate every fighter. The BoxRec ratings are very good at that. There are some examples that look bad, but totally protected fighters like Tyrone Brunson, David Rodriguez, Faruq Saleem, have always had very low rankings, and it has been very good at identifying underrated fighters long before they are noticed by US fight fans or rated by the Ring or FightNews. The divisional rankings are essential for matchmakers, and very good at predicting outcomes of lesser known fighters.

Some people have spent a lot of their free time working on this system, and deserve some credit. Just ignore the P4P if it bothers you, as well as the all-time rankings (which are much much worse).