Boxrec new rankings rates Mayweather #1 P4P All-time, Pacman #4.

You're right! WTF is Lewis???

Holyfield is there but Lewis, the guy that beat him, is not? atsch:nut

This list sucks bals

 

I believe Floyd to be inside the Top 20. I consider myself somewhat of a historian of the sport, and I have no problem putting him inside my top 20 fully recognizing the myriad of great fighters that boxed in this sport's rich history since the 1880's.

I have him somewhere propped in between guys like Moore, Gans, Charles, Monzon and Hagler. I have him ranked a few spots above Whitaker and Chavez sr.

His longevity plays a key role in how I rank him. He's a guy that fought at an elite level for 20 years (albeit a few years off here and there,) traversed 5 weight classes-the lineal champion of 4 of them, arguably the greatest fighter in the history of a division (SFW,) and wins over around 10 HOF/HOF bound fighters. He's been the universally ranked P4P #1 fighter on and off for over 10 years. I don't know too many fighters that have that successful and extensive of a resume in only 49 pro fights.

I don't know how people scoff at his resume/the list of fighters he's beaten. It matches up favorably against a lot of the ATG's. Forget about his undefeated record, that means nothing to me. His level of dominance, for such an incredibly long period of time is why I have him ranked so highly. The guy's probably been in only 3 or 4 difficult fights his entire career.

 

This glosses a great deal over the competition he actually fought. It's easy to say 'beat 10 HOF's in 5 weight classes', what if they were all shot for example?

20 ish years is a good achievement, but this is overshadowed by having only 49 fights in those 20 years, facing not even a handful of stylistic threats, not having wins over an at-or-near prime ATG or higher-mid level HOF'er - I'm also not convinced he was clean given he was caught using IVs, apparently for dehydration. He had the T/E ratio of a 128.5 year old man, another asterisk.
Ring age is the most important factor for measuring longevity.

When you're clearly one of the best ever, beating underwhelming opposition does not really say as much for dominance as we'd like it to.

I have him around 35th-40th which is pretty good.

 

Get a life lol seriously you're a loser.

 

Not a single portuguese fighter in the Top 100!!! And they expect me to take that list serious ,GTFO.

 

And what exactly is so bad with the level of competition he fought? He took on one of the best fighters in SFW history for his 18th fight and beat him to a pulp. He followed that win against a guy who hadn't lost in over 6 years and was rated as the #1 contender at 130 lbs in Angel Manfredy. He finished off his stellar career at 130 lbs by beating one of the few men who was actually a betting favorite over FLoyd (3-1 at the time,) and universally ranked a top 5 P4P fighter in Diego Corrales.

He didn't jump up weight classes and start from the bottom. he moved right up to 135 and took on the best fighter at THAT moment. He went up to 140 lbs and fought a champion for his first fight (albeit an alphabet titlist.) He went up to 147 and immediately took on a top 3 fighter at the class (Judah,) followed by the lineal champion. He than went up to 154 and took on the kingpin of the division. he had no tune up bouts in between them when he started venturing north in weight.

So I guess your penultimate point from your post was to take a jab at the competition of his era. There's an old saying in boxing- you can only fight who's in front of you. It's not his fault he didn't fight in an area with guys like Duran, Hagler, Leonard, Hearns and Benitez.

So than comes the ducking talk which I find hilarious. The guys first 10 years as a pro he was arguably the most avoided man in boxing. After cleaning out the 130 lb division (only credible guy he didn't fight was Garcia,) he goes up to 135 and after beating JLC, he goes on a 2 year rant trying to get Casamayor and Frietas in the ring with him. both guys seemingly wanted nothing to do with him and were more than content in their triangle of fights with Corrales, so Mayweather starts talking crazy and at 135 lbs he starts calling out the lineal 154 lb champ Winky Wright. Does this sound like a guy that avoided anyone?

I'll agree on the notion that he became more judicious with the selection of his opponents since becoming a PPV star, but the guy even after becoming the cashcow of the sport has been taking on top competition. By my count, since beating DLH- he's beat around 7 HOF or HOF bound fighters.

And don't speak about this "shot" business. Name one fighter he fought that was "shot." Please, enlighten me because from what I see, he only takes on guys that are coming off impressive win streaks. I remember everyone thought he was going to avoid Mosley like the plague after he dismantled Margarito. After he beat Shane up, people went into the whole "he's well past it" rants.

So is this guy really going to get shtick for not fighting Margarito, Paul WIlliams and Sergio Martinez? No offense to all 3 of those fighters, but outside of Martinez, none of those guys stand a chance.

And it's a really tiring debate about fighters ducking fighters. There's a myriad of elements that go on to making a fight behind the scenes, and people immediately want to go into talks of "chicken mode" when certain fights don't materialize.

If that's the case, Ray Robinson is chicken $hit for never fighting Burley or Cocoa Kid. Jack Dempsey is also chicken $hit for avoiding a 160 lb Harry Greb. How about Leonard and Pryor or Leonard-Hagler around 1982?

It's baseless and nonsensical. He fought the majority of the good to great fighters of his era, fought them when they were still winning/on some kind of streak, and he beat almost all of them in a very one sided manner.

 

Once again, amazing list.

 

Pretty much this. It's extremely subjective.

 

(Quite possibly the worst ATG list I've seen in my entire life......I mean it's really terrible......... atsch:huh:-(

 

Excellent post!

 

may is not a top 20 unless you mean 20ish.
pac not in the top 60
we have to wait to see if "heart problems" arise.

 

I have a great life Thankyou Alex. I'm a loser you say ??? atsch

I support FIGHTERS!!! MEN that take on all comers MEN that are BONA FIDE champions

While you support cowards that have to have the backing of corrupt State Commissions , Shady Drug testing & BLATANT Vegas officials to "succeed " Even then he STILL gets caught red handed receiving an illegal excessive 750 ml Saline drip in his own home. I'll bet you even believe that ludicrous statement " Mr Mayweather did nothing wrong" don't you ????
I'm as loser ??? Take a look in the mirror sunshine :rofl:rofl

 

Holyfield fought a prime Rid**** Bowe, a much better version of Tyson than Lewis fought, and he fought a prime Lennox Lewis when Holyfield was 38 years old.

Whether it was his fault or not, Lewis didn't fight a single of his era's best when it mattered.

The best fighter in his prime Lewis ever fought was Vitali Klitchko.
Fortunate that the fight was stopped on cuts, Lewis picked picked up his ball and went home with an official victory on paper in a fight he was losing on the cards.

Holyfield over Lewis in an ATG ranking is proper, Holyfield's resume is well beyond and above Lewis' without a doubt.

 

ugh.
you.
stop on shane.
he dismantled what was left of margarito after cotto took his soul.

 

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