Boxrec rates Tank as number 1 light welterweight

You'd put Davis who's 1-0 at the weight ahead of 26-1 Ramirez (a LEGIT former unified champion) b/c he beat paper titlist Barrios & Ramirez lost to undisputed Taylor? That is mental, there is no shame in losing to Taylor… did we forget he beat Postol, Zepeda, Hooker, Imam & Orozco etc? Barrios has hardly anything on his resume , go look it up… Pretty much all of his recent opposition were lower level & coming off recent losses too.. his regular title was meaningless also.. its actually insulting to the division… Have you been drinking the Floyd Kool-Aid or something? Ramirez is clearly more proven than Barrios. If he'd have jumped up & taken out a Postol or Zepeda etc then maybe we could have that discussion but beating Barrios? Na. & Davis even lost rounds to him anyway, that has to factor in too.

 

Yes, the bulk of JCR's work does overshadow the single victory over Azteca. That isn't how this sport works, however, and you know it. This is very much a "WHYDFML?" sport/business, particularly when it comes to rankings. And what JCR has done lately, as in over the last two full calendar years, is scrape by Viktor Postol via MD and then lose to Josh Taylor. And yeah, there's no shame in that loss, but it also isn't a positive result, that's just a fact. TKO11 Barrios >>> MD12 Postol. Even generously going back 3½ years for JCR, you have: UD12 Orozco, MD12 Zepeda, TKO6 Hooker. None of those is really better than TKO11 Barrios. Sorry. And no, I'm by no means biased in favor of Davis, he's repugnant. I'm just capable of objectivity.

We're all on the same side here; we all disagree with BoxRec having him #1. I just can see the logic of having him at #2 or 3. Your claim that he can't even be argued top 5 is just as ridiculous and biased as is delusional Tank fanboys' defense & support of where BoxRec put him.

 

He did win.

 

As we discussed some time ago. It's because they are using a system that is designed to predict who WOULD beat who, and is not based on who HAS beaten who.

Personally I find it verging on unethical to attach that kind of ranking system to what is advertised as a Boxing's official record keeper. But they are a private company, and they have their own way of doing things.

They tend to push back / bat back / or simply ignore the constructive criticism from anyone passionate enough to engage. It doesn't stretch far beyond an exercise in PR.

Ultimately, they don't see Tank's ranking at 140 as being a problem...


PBO seems to have the better ranking system, though they don't update as often as Boxrec:
https://premierboxingorganisation.com/rankings

 

They translate all previous success to the new weight class. Possibly give additional points for competing at different weight classes, too.

And the undervaluing of Leo Santa Cruz on this forum has always been something to behold. That alone explains most of the difference in opinion. (Obviously I rate Taylor above Davis and at 140 it isn't even worth talking about HOWEVER this is nothing new with boxrec whatsoever)

 

That's all well and good from a P4P perspective. Though, from my understanding they do actually apply a weighting, it is not a direct transfer of points. Still the weighting is clearly off as it doesn't seem to take into account the reality of weight classes.

But I agree the boxrec ratings being a bit crap is nothing new.

 

That didn’t take long…

did they say anything about him being “special”?

 

Thats laughable lol

 

I'm surprised. That system is WAY off base if they do factor divisional inexperience in divisional points rankings. I assumed they didn't. And that wouldn't make it good but would explain some.

 

Thats ****ing ridiculous,Josh taylor is the undisputed champion in that division has cleaned it out and has just been replaced by Gervonta "cheeseburger" davis LMAO. For beating BARRIOS who wasnt even top 5 and had a little regular belt....or as taylor said the Mickey Mouse belt

 

BoxWreck

 

Sadly I think boxing orgs and boxrec are a lot about to be based on legacy.

One example: Pulev. Did you had saw how he looked vs A.J, sorry in A.J last title defense fight?
Okey, Pulev had been beated up in 5 rounds only by then 38? y.o multiple belts holder in old Wlad.
Yeah, and now: we had saw how he looked in fight vs A.J. Okey, A.J looks that had gassed after 3 rd round.
Otherwise, I do not see how he might had lasted vs CW top 5 boxers, not alone HW top 5 boxers 10 rounder for sure.

Povetkin.
Over the hill. Beautiful resumes in ams and pros without any doubt.
Ghost version how looked vs Hunter? I might even had scored this for Pov if I had counted only power punches landed clean.
Still, all this there. Pov was 6? before first fight vs Whyte in boxrec?

Figh fax was the best.
They just should had a) charged clients who wish to make entries in records and add fight cards but everything else to keep for free for everyone and milk advertisement companies with fees for ads in website. b) implement modern solutions like modern large forums, this is not so expenesive and might pay off with a glance.

They might had power like craiglist had achieved with simple things. Nope.
Boxrec took mainstream and it is what it is.

 

TBH I've never taken that much interest in how it works, there's very little value in it so I tend to ignore it.

But just for fun I had a little looksie...

By what metric does Tank carry enough points up to be ranked above an undisputed champion, yet an undisputed champion moving up gets ranked below a paper champion with a worthless resume (Usyk #4, Wilder #3)?

 

People delve too much into boxrec ratings and boxrec in general. It's a good site to look into modern boxers records and who they fought, but a lot of it is extremely flawed. They have Tim Bradley in the top 10 all time above Ray Robinson and Leonard, Paul Williams in the top 20?? and a bunch of other horrible rankings including missing fights for certain fighters therefore devaluing their records. I look at it solely to remind me where and when including what weight a modern fighter fought at.

 

Well, I think for what reason Wilder is ranked higher than Whyte for example?
Okey, let's compare this alone: Whyte last fights results are 1 loss via KO vs old " legless " uncle and 1 win via stoppage vs the same uncle now 41 y 6 months old post covid ghost from over the hill uncle.
Wilder? 1 draw with supposedly rusty and fat uncle and 1 KO loss vs the same boxer.
1 loss via KO, 1 win via KO versus 1 draw and 1 loss via TKO.
Nope, they rank Wilder higher.
I even had agreed if Wilder had in his resume some win vs not old fighters on foreign soil etc. Nope.