Boxrec's P4P list is really bad!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Sean101, Dec 5, 2008.


  1. Sean101

    Sean101 Active Member Full Member

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    1. Joe Calzaghe

    2. Bernard Hopkins

    3. Israel Vazquez

    4. Juan Manuel Marquez

    5. Celestino Caballero

    6. Wladimir Klitschko

    7. Chad Dawson

    8. Manny Pacquiao

    9. Ricky Hatton

    10. Nonito Donaire

    Pacquiao 8th!! Dawson is no way near 7th, Klitschko is 6th, WTF!! :patsch
     
  2. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Yep, I'd have Hatton above Packiow too.
     
  3. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    terrible list

    its missing arreola
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    This list is better than Ring Magazine's list
     
  5. Sean101

    Sean101 Active Member Full Member

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    they had Pavlik as number 1 after he beat Lockett aswell
     
  6. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    It's done by a computers based on a point system so dont be too harsh, it does have it merrits such as it doesnt take personal bias or media influence into account.

    Tbh p4p lists are a bit subject.

    IMO as long as you've got Calzaghe, Marquez, Hopkins and Pac at the top in whatever order you'll be ok.

    For me their the only 4 elite fighters boxing currently, and by that I mean they could be successfull in any era.
     
  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    This topic keeps coming up.

    BoxRec's rankings are based on an algorithm (mathematical formula) that calculates the quality of each win based on the resume of the beaten fighter, the duration of the fight, the margin of victory and several other variables. The info is just fed into a computer and rankings are spewed out the other end.

    It doesn't consider other intangibles, or special circumstances. Therefore, it's not really meant to be like RING's list, or your list, however you compile it.

    The algorithmic approach works very well for chess rankings, reasonably well for Tennis, but quite poorly for boxing.

    It should be treated in that light.
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Shocking.

    Thats a disgrace to have Pacman so low.
     
  9. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Their weight class rankings tend to be much better than their P4P rankings. It's all based on formulas anyway, and it's just hard to formulate a way to compare between weight classes. In the P4P formula, it obviously doesn't account for whether the person is the bigger or smaller fighter, just that they fought.
     
  10. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    I like the BoxRec rankings because they are not biased in any way, simply they reflect the quality of a boxer based on wins and ranking of opposition. But really I mostly look at it for the rankings within a weight class which tend to be more accurate.

    These rankings would work out better if boxers would all match up against each other as they do in Tennis and College Football.

    What's interesting about the BoxRec rankings is that each weight division is normalized not only relative to other divisions but also by those fighters occupying the 21-40 ranks... meaning the scores do take into account the strength/depth of a division.
     
  11. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think its really accurate ... it don't count hype or nut hugging but reality, for example PAC wins over faded Morales and Barrera count less than recent wins of Calzaghe or Hopkins
     
  12. CLUBBER

    CLUBBER C.R.A.B. BOXING Full Member

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    Boxrec IS NOT a good RANKINGS site...its computerised
     
  13. Shaolin Box

    Shaolin Box Respect Full Member

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  14. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even the worst posters in this forum couldn't be able to make a P4P list worse than this one
     
  15. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :nut