Bradley was NOT knocked down in Round 1 Video proof

He was badly hurt, but retained his footing long enough to duck two of the three punches that Ruslan followed up with. That initial right got Bradley into trouble, but obviously not to the extant where it forced Timmy to go down right away.

The question is whether Bradley withstood the final hook long enough to make the push down irrelevant. That's the shot that I would deem to be the kd blow, as opposed to the initial right hand...if you think that Bradley was indeed kd'd.

 

Lewis Tyson
Hopkins Tito
Torres Cotto

All had delayed reactions and much more blatant pushing involved. 2 didn't get up, but they were all called at first, all correctly. Cotto wasn't even half as hurt as Tim.

You're not getting the point of the 8 count. It's not to punish the fighter. It's to give him a moment to clear his head, and for the ref to evaluate if it's safe for him to go on. Most guys in that kind of shape are not good to go. But Tim is super tough, and was lucky there was little time left.

 

I never felt too strongly about it being a knockdown. He was clearly hurt but it didn't seem clear that he was actually put down by a punch. Too long of a sequence. Hurting a fighter isn't a two point reward. Downing him is.

 

Him going down was a result of the kd Bazooka. Plain and simple had that punch not landed he would not have gone down just seconds later.

 

That's irrelevant unfortunately.

When David Haye gets buzzed and grabs on and knocks him and the other guy down that's not a knockdown either.

 

Ive said the call could go either way but to not call it a kd just seconds after a punch like that is being generous. I wouldnt have minded one bit if the ref gave him an 8 count.

 

The kd that was called against Cotto was dubious at best; Cotto clinched after getting hurt and was shouldered off and wrestled down.

In the case of Lewis-Tyson and Hopkins vs Trinidad (and Calzaghe) it was a case of one fighter landing a right hand and then shouldering his opponent (either due to the momentum carrying him forward, in Lewis' case, or to negate a possible clinch in the case of Hopkins-Calzaghe). But in all of these cases, there wasn't the same level of delay between the initial shot and the followup push/shoulder.

Either way, I take it you were Ok with the Roldan's kd of Hagler, based on what you have just said...:think

 

It might as well be if he's unable to stand straight afterwards. Especially if he took a punch that put him right on ***** street 3 seconds earlier. Have you not seen fights stopped when the fighter rises like that from a KD?

 

I've never seen that one, and don't have time to track it down. There was no controversy with the Cotto call, and it's his first career KD IIRC. Not that I feel too strong about it, but it's much less egregious than this since Cotto was not out on his feet at the moment, and Tim very much was

 

Guys get stopped for less, just for leaning on the ropes following a KD. You add in the stumble and fall, and most refs stop that.

But I'm very happy it didn't get stopped, and don't want to advocate stoppage. Only noting that it's a common call in pro boxing, if he was an underdog journeyman say.

 

Just reviewed the incident again. It was a legit knockdown, man.

Ruslan hurts Timmy badly with the right which wobbles him. Timmy, without his legs, falls into Ruslan to hold and remain upright. Ruslan fights his attempts away and lands a left which further knocks Timmy off balance and towards the floor; where he falls into Ruslan below his waist, and Ruslan just happened to have his forearms on Timmy's back (where else is he supposed to have them, seeing as though Timmy's almost trying to do a take-down as he crashes to the floor).

 

Yeah, that was the least forceful push you'll ever see bring a guy down. No wonder, he went from fine to zero legs under him 3 seconds ago.