BREAKING — Mia "ST. JUICE" St. John Admits To Using PEDs In 20 Fights (!)

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  1. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    You think I'm diminishing her admission, I just stated, none of her fights seem like she had an advantage. Ok, so I know to you it is a dumbass question to ask if a person admitted they took something illegal, did it give them an advantage. No need to answer the question, just grade the question, got it.
     
  2. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    In general women do end up fighting shorter rounds because they are underpaid undercard fighters.
    Women, in general, don't produce a lot of knockouts. Look on boxrec, look at the women boxing. Look at the knockout ratio.

    You should believe that she benefited from the use of PEDs since that is what they do. It is literally impossible to not get any improvement from it unless you are using it incorrectly.
     
  3. drenlou

    drenlou Tres Delinquentes Full Member

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    ****ing scrub.
     
  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Now now PeeWee be a good boy
     
  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thats just it,remember my mother on a steroid when being treated for cancer and she said it made her feel like she could run a marathon but also said days later would feel like s*** proving they really work.
     
  6. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    I am making no assumptions at all, as stated "her reasons might well be honestly intended to help others, if so then fair play to her."

    It is possible she would admit to being a drug cheat in defence of Canelo, but damn that is a big call unless you are going to gain in some way, ruin what reputation she had in defence of a multi millionaire proven drugs cheat.

    But as said no assumptions on my part.
     
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  7. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Ah, my bad. I think after reading that British article in response to her comments I've just been annoyed.
     
  8. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are alot of PED's that are not steriods. What was she taking?
     
  9. Serge

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    JAMEEL MCCLINE ADMITS PED USAGE: ‘EVERYBODY WAS USING

    Jameel McCline fought the best and brightest in the heavyweight ranks in the latter-1990s and 2000s and has enjoyed his fair share of success.

    McCline made his way out of a New York orphanage, did time on a weapons charge, then turned pro at age 25. He amassed a 41-13-3 record (with 24 knockouts), with no amateur experience, and hung up the mitts in 2012.

    McCline has a carpe diem attitude; he ran for Congress in 2014 and told us on the ''Talkbox'' podcast that he’s not really displeased that he didn’t win. The dysfunction and malignancy within politics, the Florida resident said, makes it hard for anyone to be “normal” when trafficking in that realm.

    McCline admitted it hasn’t been easy transitioning from being a heavyweight title challenger to figuring out his next vocational step. As far as admissions go, he wasn’t finished – McCline told us that, during his career, he did indeed use performance-enhancing drugs. In fact, he doesn’t regret it.

    We chatted about a Wikipedia entry, which links McCline to PEDs. What about that, true or false?

    Just prior to his bout with Peter, it was reported by the New York Daily News that McCline had received more than $12,000 of drugs including the steroids stanozolol and nandrolone, along with human growth hormone, testosterone and tamoxifen from Signature Pharmacy in 2005 and 2006. However, in post-fight drug tests – a requirement for all world title bouts – he never tested positive for steroid use.



    The ex-pugilist said he never tested positive for PEDs and then, “Of course we were using! Everybody was using. You cannot compete at that level amongst the best in the world and not use. It’s insane to even think that!”

    Yes, he went there. Fans want to see the tremendous exploits, from boxers to cyclists, but don’t want to really consider the seamy possibilities, as to how they are SO effective.

    “You’re out of your mind to call me or anyone else who does this a cheater,” he said. “As a matter of fact, that we were willing to put chemicals into our body to be able to perform at our peak, of course we were (using)!”

    McCline said that using PEDs shows dedication to craft. “We’re not doing steroids,” he said. Actually highly complex medications, developed to treat cancer side effects and such, were what he used. “We just knew how to beat the tests back then. I don’t know what these guys are doing anymore,” he stated.

    He said he doesn’t think he has any health effects, which could have stemmed from using the exotic chemicals. (I noted that we had Mia St John, another ex-fighter, on the show and she regrets using PEDs.) He doesn’t think so. Some depression, yes; it ain’t easy to come down from being treated like a rock star.


    “I don’t have any regrets because it was a part of the game.” McCline sees this choice as one he needed to grab, to excel, “Did I cheat to get there? No. I thought I was being intelligent because the goal is to get there. And being that we weren’t using steroids, I don’t know that it was wrong. Why can’t I use a medication that was built for someone who has breathing issues? Or for someone that has blood issues, that can’t develop red blood cells?…Why can’t I take growth hormones that was made for the AIDS patient?…I think it it’s courageous; I think it’s intelligent because you know it can hurt you…I know it is wayyyy over-the-top thinking. But if you really talk to guys who’ve done it, deep down, they’re saying the exact same thing I’m saying. It’s not cheating; it helped.”

    He was introduced to the PEDs when he was an “apprentice” and, no, he won’t name names who showed him the “dark” light. He spoke of the fancy chemicals which served him well; EPO (erythropoietin, which stimulates red blood cell production and growth), he said, worked wonders, as did Procrit (which also boosts blood cell levels).

    McCline mentioned a couple guys whom he thought were not using “back in the day” but communicated that he thought just about everyone was looking to get that chemical edge, “I paid doctors, chemists. It was injected into the business plan; that’s how big a part the preparation was,” he said. McCline is pretty sure that many of the A-grade hoopsters are using HGH (human growth hormones) and the like.

    And so should we just allow PEDs to be used? “I wish it were regulated and brought above the table…These aren’t illegal substances; these are banned substances from sports,” he said.

    McCline shared when he started engaging with PEDs and said, “It is part of the platform,” and, “I wish guys were more honest about it.” He hopes that people who have retired are willing to come clean and admit what they did.


    “No regrets, Michael,” he said, firmly.

    We talked about then and now and the degree of prevalence of use now. “Internationally it is still very accepted in the forefront, behind the scenes. In boxing, I’ve noticed, this VADA is serious,” he said. McCline added that experts are necessary to be able to beat the tests and people know the tests are coming more frequently, so, “I suspect it’s definitely gone down in boxing.”

    My three cents: I appreciate McCline being willing to put out a politically incorrect take. He told us he didn’t really have to deliberate going public with his usage and the presence of PEDs in the sport.

    “It’s just about being honest. It is what it is,” said McCline.
     
  10. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see how this helps anyone in boxing for her to come out and say this.