Breaking down AJ's resume

He had D Haye pull out against him who had power and that fight (when Haye pulled out) was offered to Wilder before Wilder was a world champ, who turned it down

Chisora was 14-0 with 9kos and the favourite to beat Fury when they first fought

Power was 12-0 with 9kos who Fury fought in his 12th fight

Nascimento was 13-0 with 11kos and 6ft5
Who Fury fought in his 14th fight


That's you done

 

No, because you give Burger King Stiverne a 7,5 and called him “A monster with a pistol like right hand”. Based on what? Beating a washed up and inactive Arreola? Or Ray Austin, who was demolished by Wlad in two rounds? Getting knocked out by Demetrice King (who?) ?

Please enlighten us all! When did this “monster” beat ANY credible opponent. Which elite talent, have crumbled under the force of his “pistol like right hand”?

 

Normally I would agree, but in this case the OP indirectly, and directly brings up Wilder, and his resume. Firstly by talking about Washington being a better fighter than Breazeale, and secondly by stating that Molina only gave a bad performance because Wilder beat him to such an extent that Joshua was essentially left with a shell to fight.

All this was confirmed when he give his optimistic, upbeat opinion of Wilder's resume. The OP's agenda was about as well hidden as Trump's toupee.

If you want objectivity, then give honest, unbiased, and importantly unloaded opinions.

 

you are naming guys who were always bums, feather fist chisora, and haye who had one decent win in his career.

 

You seem to be desperate as I have given you facts at all times and you want to change what you have said again.
That is a sign you have been owned by facts but have an agenda
How was any undefeated fighter a bum?
Nobody knows if they are a bum until after a loss and the fighter's I named had won mainly by ko

How did Haye only have one good win when he had won WBC WBA WBO Ring CW titles and WBA HW titles in around 24 fights?

Chisora who you call feather fisted kod takam who Joshua who is a big puncher didn't knock out like Chisora

Give up. You have been wrecked by facts. Not me. But facts

 

Stiverne got a gift decision prior to fighting wilder and that was against Derrick Rossey ( same guy Ortiz didn't fight because his finger was injured and hes boxings boogeyman ) ...that was 2 years being inactive when facing wilder, the same fight the demented wilder fanbase was clamouring over which was also set up by illegal punch to Stiverne back in the head if you really want to look at things how they went down.

 

you obviously just look at a guys record, not who they have fought. haye beat bum maccaranelli, who was a paper champ. went life and death with the french guy whose name escapes me. look at the records of powers and nasciemento and you will see they were bums. fury's team studied guys to find bums with padded records to make him look good. thus the two clowns you named and him calling out pajkic.

 

Where is your proof of what Fury's team did?
It wasn't Fury who pulled out of the Haye fight. It was wilder who decided against facing fury
So your point is not relevant.
Fury had no resume per se when he beat powers, nascimento or Chisora so you saying they were bums holds no ground.
How were they any more or less with 12 fights than many other HWs with 12 fights? They weren't
You said Fury ducked punchers. So I pointed out the Klitschko fight.
You then changed it to say Fury wouldn't duck a title shot but ducked punchers up to a title shot, so I gave you the records of the punchers he fought before the Klitschko win. So you changed your point again.
I pointed out Fury agreed to face Haye and when Haye pulled out offered the fight to wilder
How is any of that ducking punchers. He had only had 24 fights when he fought the best HW in the division and had offered wilder and Haye fights before that.
Do try and answer

With haye you lack so much knowledge that you shouldn't even comment

 

okay, why has he ducked thompson, price, ustinov, klitschko rematch, etc then? guys with less than 10-15 fights really aren't ducking anyone yet. you just consider bums as great victories to push the myth that fury is good.

 

I haven't said bums are good victories. That is you trying to change the angle again when unable to debate your own comment.
I said you don't know if an undefeated HW with a big KO record is any more or less than any other until after they have been beaten and it was fury who took those fights in question against the undefeated names I showed you with high KO rates.
Undefeated nascimento had a 85% KO record. Higher than Fury had.

So now you are looking to change your angle again!

You are trying to say a HW when only having had around 20 odd fights was ducking everyone, which is proven not to be the case when they fought the best in their 25th fight.

Just because a fighter wants to get a payday fighting another fighter doesn't constitute as a duck if it doesn't happen or if one is on a different road.

You say Fury ducked all these fights and I can't say if that is right or wrong. What I can say is that Fury when a title wasn't on the line agreed to face Haye who is imo better than all the name's you mentioned (except Klitschko) and likely a bigger puncher. I think Haye pulled out twice as well. I am aware that when Haye pulled out that that fight was offered to wilder who I guess is also better than the names above (except Klitschko).
Then don't forget also that Klitschko had to postpone against Fury first time around as well.
That's a fair bit of time on the sidelines, so I can't see how you think with the fights I showed you, with the fights agreed with Haye and with the fact he offered wilder the fight and the Klitschko that he was avoiding punchers.

With the Klitschko rematch he was apparently unwell and to be fair didn't fight for a long time.
He came back from this and in his first fight back fought a puncher.

Next he is facing wilder who is considered a puncher

Really can't see how you think that is ducking punchers

 

you know nasciento was no good. he fought a bunch of south americans with losing records. you asked how i knew fury's people had researched his opponents. geez bonehead, because that is the promoter and trainers job? what is your explanation of his duck jobs once he got past bums who never won another fight?

 

You're calling me bonehead when you don't seem to realise that a 12 fight novice is not likely to have fought much more than fighter's with losing records, hence what I said earlier that you haven't grasped lol. Again
How were they any more or less with 12 fights than many other HWs with 12 fights? They weren't

Now not sure if you have an agenda or just struggle to understand.
I have said. I don't know if Fury has or hasn't ducked anyone. I don't really care to be honest.

You now have needed to change your argument again which should be enough to tell you that you are lost.
You now say
"what is your explanation of his duck jobs once he got past bums who never won another fight?"

Consider again how few fights fury had had and that you are wrong again.
He beat the undefeated favoured Chisora, after that beat Chisora again and later Klitschko. Had agreed before that to face Haye twice I believe, and offered wilder that fight.
How is that ducking?
You don't seem to be able to give an answer just keep saying he was ducking everyone when he fought the best HW and offered wilder a highly rated hw a fight and had agreed to face Haye who was arguably only behind the Klitschkos at the time who were the best
How is that ducking? He wasn't favoured against Chisora first time, wasn't favoured against Klitschko and I think wasn't favoured against Haye at that time

 

let us just look at his record. it is as paper thin as Wilders. he has fought lil guys, club boxers, bums, featherfists, old washed up guys. those fit every single guy he has faced.

 

Give up fella..your skegs have pulled down.

 

The fact that you have to compare him to Wilder who has had many more fights tells you everything.
He has a better singular win than any of Wilders. No question.
He has had far less fights and not been overly active but if you look at the current Boxrec HW top 20. Fury has more wins against the top 20 comp than Wilder with 2 wins over Chisora and a win over Hammer.
Thats with 3 years of not fighting at world level as well.
That is not you arguing with me. These are facts.

You dont get it do you? I have given some facts there, not just an opinion.

Wladimir wasnt considered featherfists, he was known as Dr Steelhammer and is listed at 6ft 6", so hardly short. You couldnt say Wladimir was washed up either as he was a reigning dominant champ who had beaten 5 undefeated opponents in his previous 6 fights before Fury. 3 of which are in the current Boxrec top 20 still over 3 years after he beat them

Once again. Facts not opinion