Breaking Down Alexis Arguello

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  1. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some carry their punch and some don't. Foster was giving up lots of weight at heavy and in an era with another pair of ATGs running around.

    Guys with these tall and lanky builds have their own set of problems. We make for big targets, often lack ATG chins and if we can;t control the distance with reach or face guys who effectively slip the jab and get inside to do body work. TBH I prefer facing taller guys. punching down on a body worker just feels awful. Here's the thing Tiger, Duran and Cuevas got stuck on the back foot and couldn't get inside. Tiger was hanging out in punching range with a puncher when he needed to be inside. Hearns totally controlled the distance, gave ground when his opponents came back and forced them back again. https://imgur.com/gallery/hpTBK

    Want to beat a tall guy? Get inside, if you can't or won't, don't fight that guy then.
     
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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well height and reach has it disadvantages. That is who he was and he was thin like Hearns. They were great because they could be thin and do that. If someone worked the body and got close they could beat them.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    That's absolutley preposterous.

    No child or woman could be Alexis Arguello at 135. Off the top of my head either four or five men of his poundage defeated him at 135 or below. You're way off with this.

    Around the same that Foster had against Ali or Fraier: none. But both Tiger and Foster were moving up from their natural weight classes to one above.
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    That right hand sounded like a gunshot

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    What a beautiful beautiful shot. Like poetry in motion, so natural !
     
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    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah it really was. It's one of the best straight right KOs of all time as is this one by Monster Inoue IMO


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    Yep, great shot. Arguello is so fluid though, up and down with ease with shots, like you look at him and think "wow" !
     
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  8. dangerousity

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    Kinda agree, he was the Hearns of LW. But hey, he made the weight. If ODLH could have stayed at LW he would have fk **** up. Heck Floyd could have kept draining himself to LW, or even JWW.

    I feel like fight night weight should be the thing, you're in the weight class you weigh in at fight night
    It's a myth that shorter guys are better on the inside. The tall guy can simply tie them up or lean on them on the inside.

    IMO the shorter guy usually has to be a level above the taller guy to beat them all things being equal.

    Look how lost Lewis felt when he had to fight a taller guy than him in Vitaly, its like he forgot his boxing skills and just had to go to war. Look how lost Wlad looked when he had to fight a taller guy than him in Fury.

    Also the whole just get inside, well the fight doesn't start on the inside, it stays on the outside, so the shorter guy already has an extra obstacle to get through. Its like starting behind on a race, "just catch up", sure can do, if I'm that much faster than the opponent. Then on top of that, when you do finally get on the inside, the taller guy uses an OK'd illegal move which is tying you up and call it "tactics".
     
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  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Exactly, and yet you got nimrods on here arguing that being tall with a foot more reach can be a disadvantage. Yeah, it's one of those awful disabilities like having a huge dick or being unbelievably handsome. I mean, some girls like fat guys with small dicks. What the hell are they smoking?

    I can conceive of a world where being poor and dumb is an advantage over being smart and rich, but that's not the world we live in. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard fighters complain "He's too tiny. I'll never beat him!"
     
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  10. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Take that up with the referees.

    A) The fact that taller fighters are given the gift of distance for tying up is unfair, I think anymore that 3 or 4 tie ups for the purpose of getting a break should be warned. Eventually a point should be taken, or better yet don't let refs break every single clinch. If gives a taller guy distance for doing as little as possible. I'd support this rule change.

    B) Shorter guys guys are better at punching from the inside, they get better leverage on their shots (generally) and have a much bigger target to work with. If a tall guy is leaning on you and you aren't working the body or uppercutting that is on the shorter man. There's counters for it, work the counters. Learn head control.

    C) Lewis looked lost because he was the fattest he'd ever been and went to war with Vitali because he knew he couldn't go 12 rounds that night. Wlad built his style around tall. He was very one dimensional and used the clinching loophole which seemingly every ref in the ring with him allowed it. So he never needed to learn the art of pressure fighting, cutting off a ring or real inside fighting as we usually think of it. He trained to fight tall and long, ran into a guy taller and longer and found himself unable to adjust his style to do what he needed to do to beat Fury. Though Fury is a pretty solid inside fighter himself anyway.

    D) Boxing uses weight to determine size and has for hundreds of years. If you have a better, fairer suggestion, I'm listening.
     
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