Breaking down Joe Louis: Part 6 - Putting It All Together

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  1. Brownies

    Brownies Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joe Louis looks impressive on films, but he would've look devastating with todays video angles and quality. Look at his KO of Nathan Mann near 8:40. Joe throws a left jab, take a little step back to escape from Mann's jab and counter with a thunderous right uppercut, followed in the movement by a huge left hook... and he's doing all this in perfect balance, unlike Mann who was sent forward by his own jab. Joe was so skilled, we often forget what a puncher he was !
     
  2. Brownies

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLRi8v7OG7E[/ame]
     
  3. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Very good article. :good

    Joe Louis was closest thing to 'the perfect text-book fighter'. It's been said a thousand times by a thousand knowledgeable people over the decades since he burst on the scene. It is as true now as it was then.
    Sometimes I don't think he gets his dues from many people on these forums, I've seen him described as being 'slow', or having 'bad balance' or 'average footwork' etc. (all of which seem like ridiculous claims to me) , and generally not being credited for his immense craftsmanship.

    He's arguably the greatest fighter who ever lived, from a 'technical abilities' OR an 'achievements' perspective. In my opinion.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree. I've also come to see things more your way as far as his jab goes, which you'll see in part two if you read.
     
  5. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Will definitely read. :good
    Good work.
     
  6. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, a lot of the intracacies of old-time fighters is lost or missed the first few times because of poor quality video, at best a few camera angles, and often no slowmo. In colour HD, Joe Louis would look much more impressive and devastating.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Part II: The Jab and the Hook
    http://www.boxing.com/how_to_box_by_joe_louis_part_2the_jab_left_hook.html


    In August of 1951, broke and fighting only for the money, his speed and power having deserted him, a few pounds heavier than he had been in his prime, balding, trying to come back from his own failed comeback having already lost to Ezzard Charles more than a year earlier, Louis was embracing every single cliché that exists for a washed up pug when he re-matched Cesar Brion.

    At the opening bell that night, Brion bought with a brush of his shoulder what other men had paid for in blood and concussion in the previous two decades, bulling Louis back to the ropes as if he were nothing. But upon extracting himself, Louis goes directly to the jab and just like he did against Baer all those years before he almost immediately has his opponent under control. His jab has evolved, just slightly, and he often snaps it up slightly, driving Brion’s head back a little more than the straight jab would, a heavy, thudding punch. Almost every time he lands it flush, Brion takes a step back, blinks, thinks about the punch sportswriter Bill Corum called “the stiffest and surest jab the ring has ever seen.”
     
  8. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    You think you're so cool with your great insight and ability to often share said insight with others in a succinct and interesting manner, don't you?

    *******.
     
  9. PetethePrince

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    I agree with Frazier's assessment of the left hook but it's ironic how he persists about keeping the lead foot planted. How was renown like Dempsey for his leaping left hook, and the most iconic image of his left hook in that 15th round of the FOTC is with Frazier being a few inches off the canvas with that leaping left hook. Obviously you'll get the best leverage with a planted hook, as Frazier does against Ellis and Foster. However, if you believe the left hook also could be used a mid-range weapon then you'll be far more loose in terms of the technical guidelines of keeping that left foot always planted, as Dempsey and Frazier often showed.

    If you're more of a technical purist like Hopkins and Louis you won't use the left hook as a weapon other than when you're opponents is near you. And in those instances, the left hook should never leave the ground.

    Interest you bring up the Wlad-Chambers KO. I believe Wlad exploded his lead left foot off the canvas. Hardly aesthetic looking when you're 6'6 though.

    I do not agree with this assessment, at least that's not how I saw it. Maybe I should re-watch it but I thought Wlad left hook was rather technically correct besides that lead foot off the canvas (And this is debatable in a sense). Maybe I'll have to rewatch it. I saw Wlad lean left and drive through with his lead left leg, rotate the hips and shoulder to follow through with the punch. When you're coming off the canvas, it's generally a case of driving through with your lead leg. Try to do it, that's the only proper way to get the kind of powerful torque and leverage from that situation. I could be mistaken, though.

    Succinct and awesome insight from the articles. You're a damn good writer. I wish I could write half as well as you.
     
  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I once read that Joe Louis used to bring Holmen Williams into camp with him just so he could watch him spar. Joe felt like he learned something everytime he watched him work.
     
  11. fists of fury

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    The second installment is better than the first. Thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    That's actually a bit of a relief to hear as I was worried it wasn't up to the standards of the first one. Doing the Louis jab justice is a tall order.
     
  14. fists of fury

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    It's a great article, and very well written too. Unfortunately, you have now set a standard of expectation. :hey
     
  15. McGrain

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    http://www.boxing.com/how_to_box_by_joe_louis_part_3the_right_hand.html



    The Afro American was in Johnny Paycheck’s dressing room only minutes after his devastating knockout loss to Joe Louis in the second round of their March 1940 heavyweight title fight. Louis had been champion for three years and Johnny was his ninth successful defense. No press ever had access to a Louis knockout victim so soon after the offending punch and the sight made quite an impression.

    His legs “still quivering” as his brain continued to try to absorb the catastrophic messages of disaster Louis had inflicted upon it, “still fear-stricken, in a state of wonderment” Paycheck spoke with Art Carter, The Afro’s sports editor, “slowly and softly.”

    “God, how that man can hit. I don’t remember anything after the first knockdown.”

    The Afro American did not go easy on Paycheck in thanks for this easy access. Under a banner headline naming him “A Pathetic Figure” they went on to describe him as “a pathetic loser.” If Paycheck was pathetic he was no more or less so than the Titanic right after it was ripped in two by the iceberg. There are forces of nature that neither man nor steamship can survive. Paycheck reacted courageously in my opinion, campaigning briefly and redundantly for a rematch.

    Perhaps he believed lightning couldn’t strike in the same place twice.

    For it was indeed thunder and lightning that laid him low in the shape of two of the most devastatingly effective punches in boxing history, two blows tipped by the same spear; the Joe Louis right hand.