breaking down this heavyweight era and others: Why today stinks!!

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  1. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    He waited three years for Tyson to lose his titles and get hauled off to prision, saw how desolte the early 90s HW scene was and decided he stood a chance of getting past the then limited Mercer and beating Holyfield, who was seen as a weak transitional Champion at the time. :good

    Interestingly, after getting beat by Holyfield, Holmes would stay quiet in the competitive years to follow but immediately jumped back into the picture when the limited McCall won a piece of the crown.

    Evander/Valuev and McCall/Holmes were kind of the same thing, really. Both cases a 45 year old Legend hanging around with nothing to lose and giving it a go against the most vulnerbale belt holder. I give preference to Byrd/Holyfield over Tyson/Holmes though, because Holyfield was still ranked top 5 and coming off two good performances, and Holmes was coming off two good years of retirement.
     
  2. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For those with memory problems.
     
  3. The Mongoose

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    I deliberately broke out the first part because I can't seem to figure what your definition of "this era" is.
     
  4. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can't figure out my definition but you see fit to say I "can't have my cake and eat it too". How do you come to this brilliant conclusion if you don't know my definition? :think

    Maybe you were just trying to be witty.
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    -Because it doesn't seem like you agree that Past Champions like Holyfield couldn't hang and were fading away, yet just stated as much. I don't know, your position on several matters in this thread is coming off a bit confusing and ill explained.
     
  6. bremen

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    So what is your definition of "this era"? You cannot even define "this era" anymore because all your arguments have been soundly destroyed in this thread. Not sure why you keep it going after you have been owned in your own thread. This is embarassing.
     
  7. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe you should re-read through it again. No offense, but I'm just tired of re-explaining myself. Like I said, I don't care if anyone like the setup or not. I'm happy with it and think its helpful. If anyone else doesn't they should try doing this themselves. I don't think many will because you actually need to do research. In all honesty I would like to see you thread just for objective comparison.
     
  8. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see it that way and obviously many others don't either. If you need proof I can bump my poll about this era.

    If you want embarrassing we can just talk about your delusions of Lewis ripping Vits face off with a so called illegal thumb and your campaign to have tko6 turned into td6 even though neither Vits, anyone in his camp or anyone involved in boxing made this ridiculous accusation. That's embarrassing!! :lol:
     
  9. Butch Coolidge

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    Then Holmes got a win over Trevor Berbick 18-1-1 but who exactly did Berbick beat going into the fight?

    Chuck Gardner 12-5-0 and Gardner had wins over...nobody: i.e.
    Kenny Jones 0-13-0
    "Sugar Bear Williams" ah, back in the golden age when opponents could actually get away with ring names. I remember "Captain Marvel" was a frequently beaten fighter.

    Braham Yaqui Meneses (4-6-0 )
    who KOed Gardner

    Mike Kreel 4-5-0
    Lee Holloman 0-8-0
    Ernie Smith 6-16-0
    Fred Askew 15-14-1 ( YAY! A winning record...oops he KOed Gardner )
    James J. Beattie 38-6-0 defeated Gardner via decision
    Baker Tinsley 2-1-0
    Charles Atlas 8-12-0
    J.D. McCauley 4-18-0
    Robert Echols 8-1-0 defeated Gardner
    Charlie Jordan 13-34-2
    Bill Jackson 0-3-0
     
  10. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seems you forgot to list John Tate who was rated by the Ring #2 just 3 months before the Berbick fight. I bet if I look through every fighter you've done I find thee kinds of dicrepencies. BUSTED!!
     
  11. JAB5239

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    LeDoux had a split decision loss to Lyle and a draw with Norton the year before. Both were top 10 rated. You conveniently left tbat out. This just furthers my point contenders fought contenders more often.

    That's right kiddies, JAB is checking homework now! Seems ***** Coolidge has been trying to cheat! :nono
     
  12. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How is it discrediting the the klits? I've said a number of time they were the best thing about it and it will be much worse when Wlad is gone. You nuthuggers always seem to miss those posts. And I've also always said its Wlads longevity as champ that makes him an ATG. You must of missed that too. Convenient when you're trying to discredit someone, but not very truthful. :nono
     
  13. Butch Coolidge

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    Another one of Berbick's opponents, the legendary Chuck Findlay 4-0-0. UNDEFEATED fighter but undefeated against whom?

    Dave Darrell = 0

    Ron Burton 0-2-0

    Bob Felstein, hadn't fought in around 3 years, final fight or his career, 16-13-1.


    This era is supposed to be superior?
     
  14. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like you aren't conveniently omitting anything about today's heavyweights, ******. You are getting own in your own ******ed thread ****sucker.

    Since you feel free to insult, so am I. And anybody can find out, you are the one trying to sweep dirt under the rug.

    By the way, Findlay never won another professional fight in his career. High quality guy right there.
     
  15. CHEF

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    blah blah blah
    waste of time