breaking down this heavyweight era and others: Why today stinks!!

Last chance or you are going to have to admit that Wlad's scalps were superior to Tyson's. You even had the option to negoiate.

 

3 minutes and the offer expires.

If you fail to make this bet, you are going to have to disown the RING Ratings or declare Wlad's crop to be superior.

You shouldnt have tried to be a tough guy in the other thread.

 

1 minute, better close those boxrec windows and get your ass in here.

 

Times up..

Not surprised.

You had plenty of time to accept a bet you were supposedly confident in.


:hi:

I will not be coming back.

Btw: Wlad wins: Using "Year of RING annual" that JAB endorses.

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I guess these Klitschko fan boys think if they keep posting about how the current HW division is "good" that they will actual start to believe it.

 

or some one can just post how bad previous eras really were.

as if Michael Dokes or Rocky Marciano wouldn't destroy the division as it stands today ( despite neither one doing anything of any significance ever or maybe losing the heavyweight title to a 6-0-1 challenger, or fighting a title fight against a fighter with a professional record of 0-0-0, or maybe an opponent with a 3-3-0 for a title challenge, yep, those were the days ).

 

Don't lump Dokes and Maricano together.

Dokes was an alphabet chump, King tried to use to tag team the division(at least Wlad and Vitali are brothers, Dokes and Holmes were just King boys). He won the title through a dubious stoppage, defended it in a dubious draw, and got brutally upset by Coetzee in his next defense. He was gifted against Cobb of all people in a botched comeback attempt. His only claim is playing gate keeper to an upstart Holyfield in a fun brawl and a highlight reel KO loss to Ruddock.

Marciano won the true Championship from an all time great, and defended it 5 times against his #1 contender, and once against his #2. Charles, Kockell, Moore, and LaStarza were all proven vets so I don't know where you pulled those numbers from. The only knock on Rocky is his size, which was an abnormality even in his own era.

0-0-0 Sounds like Patterson's farce against Olympian Rademacher. A publicity stunt less than a month after Patterson demolished his #1 contender.

 

Holmes being scored for Tyson is most troubling, unlike Evander when he ran into Byrd, Holmes was not ranked going into the Tyson fight and coming off 2 years of retirement. If you are only considering the number of Year End top 10 fighters they faced throughout their career, than you would absolutely have to count Evander as a top win/opponent for Byrd. There's no getting around that.

Using the same method that inlcudes Holmes for Tyson that disregardes the present standing at the time of the fight, Holyfield would also have to count as a superior scalp for Valuev, Donald, and Ibragminov as well.

 

Most importantly, what did Tyson do before Lewis?

At least Holyfield was coming off a win over the top 5 rated Rahman.

Leading up to Lewis, Tyson's last fight was a disappointing performance against Nielsen. And before that, a year lay off for substance abuse.

And of course Evander didn't beat anybody of note after Byrd, he had to undergo shoulder surgery after the loss and was never the same.