Brian Campbell one of the few boxing writers not eating the ESPN spin

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  1. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Former ESPN boxing writer, interestingly. Props for doing a journalist's job and actually trying to be objective but criticial Brian. He describes the fight as competitive throughout, and stresses that Horn "backed up Pacquiao for 12 full rounds, outworked him and was awkward enough to at least give himself a chance to score an upset". He frames the fight around Pacquiao's decline, which few else are willing to discuss. Brian's take is just what should be the response of a reasonable person after watching the fight. I believe the general media and fan response would be close to his if Teddy Atlas and Stephen A. Smith weren't screaming bs on ESPN. I don't agree with Brian that the decision was close but probably 'wrong' though. He scored it 114-114, and it only takes one more of the pretty close rounds for Horn to take it. Anyway, respect to Brian Campbell. :clap:

    http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/new...upset-of-pacquiao-exposes-an-important-truth/

    http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/new...set-of-manny-pacquiao-via-unanimous-decision/
     
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  2. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    Good stuff.

    What on earth is going on with ESPN ??
     
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  3. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So...one of the few writers that dont believe Pac was robbed still didnt score it as a Horn win.

    And what boxing writers are influenced by Smith and Atlas? You expect me to believe after years of treating these two as clowns, we are suddenly taking them as gospel?

    Atlas is still nuts and makes no sense, Smith is still a tool. I still scored the fight to Pac.
     
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  4. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    The truth is Bob Arum is real close with Dan Rafael and he uses Rafael as a proxy to spew his garbage. Props to Campbell for being objective. That fight last night was supposed to be a showcase fight for Pacquiao to break his KO drought as evidenced by how many times that was brought up before and during the fight. Rafael is a shill for Arum and Arum's agenda. Notice Rafael is always criticizing Haymon for the way he handles the PBC but never utters a word about Arum's in house fights and mismatches. Props also for Tim Bradley who while he said thought Pacquiao won it was a close fight going into the final 2 rounds. Shame on Atlas and that muppet Stephen A Smith who knows absolutely nothing about Boxing. ESPN had a narrative they wanted the fans to buy into and Horn ruined it for them. Manny was supposed to ice that guy in 3 or 4 rounds. Didn't happen.
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Post of mine from the RBR.

    Teddy Atlas and Stephen A. Smith work for ESPN, ESPN has recently made a big time deal with Top Rank to carry HBO and PPV level fights on their channel, therefore Smith and Atlas are company men and shills. They had a hell of a lot riding on this card, which most tuned in for to see Manny win by highlight reel KO. They then in one of the most self defeating acts I've ever seen, assumed the result beforehand, basically bashed the fight and ran down the unknown, untested question mark Jeff Horn and his resume non stop in the pre fight coverage, thinking Pac winning was a sure thing, in the process Stephen A. made himself look like the casual loudmouth that he is. Teddy did his typical biased bloviating and as always seemed to miss everything the guy he was rooting against landed and credited the guy he was rooting for with missed punches. Tessitore and Atlas tried their best to control the narrative selling the idea to people that what they're seeing is but an illusion, that Horn isn't coming close to winning, causing most fans to question their comprehension of the sport and some their sanity. Then in spite of all the horse**** they were shoveling trying to bias the audiences view of the fight assuming Manny had won by robbery and in spite of the fact that this was their maiden voyage with Top Rank and they are now ace Top Rank shills, justice was served, Horn rightfully won, the judges for a change got it right, and they all had egg on their faces, and looked like the buffoons who DKSAB that they are. So instead of getting up on television, being humble and saying that they underestimated Horn they ****ed up and got it wrong, they proceeded to throw a butthurt temper tantrum and blame everyone on planet earth for the "robbery" and keep pushing this intellectually dishonest narrative in an attempt to make themselves look and feel better. What you saw was basically a two hour microcosm of what the Democrats have been doing since losing the "sure thing" election that they made no effort actually win.:lol:

    Is this really where we are as a species? The rich disinterested bigoted cash cow shows up to collect a paycheck, and gets upset by the humble small time working class school teacher in the Rocky like feel good story of the decade. And we as a collective take the side of and have a **** fit about the corporate backed privileged fat cat losing fair and square against the rugged individualist scrappy kid who put his nose to the grindstone and busted his ass for every second of that match and earned every point on those scorecards that he got. No wonder we're as ****ed up as we are.
     
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  6. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great point bringing up Rafael. He's been sucking up to Arum for ages, and has been acting as Top Rank's publicist bashing Haymon the last couple years. It's surely his own massive coup getting Top Rank on ESPN.

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  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Yep. Atlas is crazy. Smith is an idiot. I scored the fight for Pac.
     
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  8. lobk

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    Last night viewer's rating was really high. Highest in a decade for a cable TV fight. This fight brought the casuals in but not sure if the fight helped or made people turn away from boxing. Many celebrity and athletes though Pac won and the casuals seems to think too. All crying robbery and how corrupt boxing is.

    I personally saw a close fight and result did not bother me one bit.
     
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  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I've never felt that Dan was in the tank for anybody. I quite like his reporting. He's one of the few guys I don't mind reading from time to time. I hadn't realized people thought that he was a shill for Top Rank fighters. The knock on him is usually just that he's fat which I don't feel inclined to hold against him.

    Personally, I'm at a loss as to who's a better objective analyst writing about our sport today. I'm a big fan of Steve Kim's reporting but that's mostly for his color commentary. Maybe, I should dig into some articles at The Ring or Boxing Monthly and see who's good there.
     
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  10. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    Wow CST-80. Great comment!!
     
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  11. DONT B SCARED

    DONT B SCARED Pimpin Aint Easy Full Member

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    I agree with pretty much all this even tho we disagree yesterday on how big the crowd was.:) Dan Raphaels article after the fight was a joke and totally biased trying to say even Horn looked surprised to get the win which wasn't the case at all.
     
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    DONT B SCARED Pimpin Aint Easy Full Member

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    Great post its just a pity that such a hard fought close fight was accompanied by the obvious bias for the viewers of that ESPN coverage. I rewatched this morning with different commentary without any bias and feel like especially the casual viewers are always going to be swayed a lot by what they are hearing especially with the way Teddy Atlas was carrying on,making out like Manny was winning easily. Stephen A Smith clearly has little to basic boxing knowledge especially going by his pre fight derision of Horn and his opponents. Really good fight with good atmosphere pity the silly robbery talk takes away little from the brave performance from Horn but at least with the record amount of viewers people are talking boxing
     
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  13. The Long Count

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    Dan rafael is not in the tank but espn sucks
     
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  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    TV Azteca out of Mexico thought the fight was a competitive but clear win for Pacquiao.

    .....and to the thread starter, ESPN did discuss and alluded to the decline of Manny Pacquiao.
     
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