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All respect but yes, me. All three of those fighters in the former list are very great, but I can’t see them getting past the latter 3. That said I list the 90s as the second greatest era and love it deeply.
Ah part of that was rage bait… my bad, I think Lennox sweeps and so does Tyson but the phrasing was unnecessarily discouraging. Good to see you still around, we’ve been talking for years and years now on and off - I hope life’s good man, Lennox did have trouble with a good jab.
I have decided to turn in my cleaver dialect for a new tool… indeed my brother, May Big Toney, Uncle Jimmy and the Holy Preem guide your way.
Hi! Life is good, I moved my wife and I from super hot Missouri to my home state of Vermont this year and am polishing up my 5th symphony. I always read your posts, your content is very welcome, my friend. Lennox is a heavyweight god no doubt, his is an amazing story of consummate victory and redemption. Holy is only after Louis, Ali, and Holmes in my list of ATG. I was and still am stupidly obsessed with those fights.
That’s lovely to hear, what a sentence that is to read what I write lol. I like your takes, I think our top ten HW’s would probably look similar, I like how high you have both Holmes and Holyfield… what’s a 5 symphony? Sorry I’m a dummy, Lennox’s “bad” moments to me humanise him, much like Hearn’s.
Lennox and Thomas definitely had similarities in that way. I’m a composer, I’m finishing up writing my 5th symphony.
At one point in the 1990s. End of 1995. George Foreman was lineal champion. Frank Bruno was WBC. Bruce Seldon was WBA. Francois Botha was IBF. The same month Mike Tyson looked rather horrible fighting Buster Mathis Jr. And things got worse in 1996 and 1997. Andrew "LDQ" Golota The Foul Pole, Oliver "As Tears Go By" McCall, The Bite Fight, Huggy Akinwande. At least Vaughn Bean got his long awaited shot at the IBF title. The Golden Era.
The 70s seems quite an American era, American champions positioned above American challengers while a considerable amount of the world's nations are kept away from boxing through politics. The 90s seems far more international and less politically orchestrated. It's always been interesting to me Ali talks about being champion over China while knowing China lacks the infrastructure and political climate to create a challenger. Usyk, however, is the champion. In China too. Zhang is his contender. For one it is propaganda. For the other it is the truth. When you look at the dates of HW champions you should ask yourself what the politics of the era were. Some oddities seem less odd in the light of geopolitics. Is it by chance John L and Corbett just happened to be champion during the height of Irish nationalism in America? Then it goes to a British man just in time for a jubilee, just by chance. Only one Canadian and only Canadian as in not also claiming English or UK. Just happens to pick up the belt the same year his PM gives a speech all about economists of europe predicting Canada as the future economic hub of the world. Back to the US in time for the golden 20s, the actual economic hub for the planet. Oh no a new challenger, and with it some oddities in history. Spain, Germany, and Italy are major HW boxing nations are they? Good thing a black american beat those dirty Nazis America's having an Italian nationalism wave combined with red scare and post war propaganda, enter 49-0 and punches harder than your rifle so says the US army, Marciano What happens next? Nationalism again? This time black nationalism? Gee, good thing boxing is here to provide us with a black national political leader champion. Ramp up that capitalism because the Soviets can't keep pace, breed a society of excess and freak culture; Tyson Get me? King George just happened to be a boxing fan who went to matches and he's the only royal in history to have ever happened to give a **** or not actively be against boxing and he made up belts for a citizen fighting a slave. ... ... and it has nothing to do with the war of 1812 at all. Could do and could be, but every single time? Just by coincidence? I dunno fella.