Briggs comment that Vitali is Better than Lewis or Foreman

It was the one, bro. Watch the third round. Observe what they are working on after that round.

The doctor stopped the fight on THAT wound. I was there, and ringside, having been with Lewis' people prior to that fight. None of the other's were TKO worthy at that big a stage. That first cut, should have stopped the fight in the damn 4th round.

Even Lennox said in the locker room afterward, "Man, that right in 3, I caught him just right. ****ing ugly."

Grotesque, completely legal cut, and a totally legitimate TKO, but it isn't the same as a knockout. One punch ended that fight.

Lennox owns the win, but he himself knows he didn't knock Vitali out, nor dominate him in any way. His face held up better in a gutter war. Not trying to take Lennox's win from him, because Vitali absolutely lost that fight.

It is the same as getting the better of a street fight, landing more punches, and yes, harder punches, but the other guy say breaks your nose. You lost on damage, but you should be given all the credit in the world for the fight you put up, and the other guy can't say he put you down. He didn't.

I guess my point is, is that the use of this fight to just discredit Vitali is erroneous. He didn't get whipped and stopped. He drug the champion into a war that he was winning, so it was a good strategy, but his face busted up to bad to finish what he started. Its a great win for Lennox, and to me the action of the fight itself suggests he would have won a prime for prime match(Vitali's hands down defense kept getting him clipped), but the result is inconclusive in such an argument. You just can't say that Klitschko's face would bust up the same way were it to all happen over again.

 

What makes you say that?

 

A great post, and I foolishly tried to make similar point some time ago. Of course, on this board you have to be EXTREME!!! So either Vitali was cheated out of a sure knockout of the Champion or a 300 lb "one foot in the grave" Lewis caved your quitter hero's face in. I've gave up on any intelligent observations or discussion ever emerging on the subject in these parts.

 

Dunno - never seen teh fight, so you tell me??

 

Yeah. It's pretty obvious you've never seen the fight, and that you know NOTHING about it. Yet you unabashedly make statements that Green got "knocked the **** out" by an 8-22 Bruce Johnson, with no inkling whatsoever of the actual circumstances.

The following information can be turned up with even the most perfunctory of searches, and from multiple sources.

"After the Tyson loss Green would not fight again until February 1993 in a bout against trialhorse Bruce Johnson. In a bizarre situation, the fight was stopped by the referee in the third round because Mitch refused to throw punches. The fight was ruled a TKO win for Johnson."

"In late February of 1993, he officially made his comeback, refusing to throw any punches at professional opponent Bruce Johnson. Mitch felt that he was being underpaid for the fight—although I had picked up the tab for the entire card—and voiced his protest by not fighting****. The bout was stopped in the third after Green received repeated warnings by the referee that he needed to punch. My only consolation was winning my bet with Al Braverman; I had gotten Mitch “Blood” Green back into a boxing ring. The cost of doing so far exceeded the amount won in the bet"

An excerpt from the above is even cited on the very same Boxrec that you used to substantiate Green having poor punch resistance (as compared to Briggs):

"From the article "Mitch Green Gets Shot" by Charlie Farrell, Green's manager at the time... In late February of 1993, he officially made his comeback, refusing to throw any punches at professional opponent Bruce Johnson. Mitch felt that he was being underpaid for the fight—although I had picked up the tab for the entire card—and voiced his protest by not fighting. The bout was stopped in the third after Green received repeated warnings by the referee that he needed to punch."


So you feel confident in using the fight as an example of Green being not only stopped but "KTFO" (sic) by a journeyman, despite being COMPLETELY ignorant of the exact situation?

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Yeah, refusing to fight over a dispute with your manager - that's evidence of having a really poor chin! You really drove your point home there!

Briggs never took 10 rounds of power punches from a prime Mike Tyson; yet he DID get beat up, wobbled and toppled by Lennox Lewis (a powerful man, but still not prime Mike - and neither was old George). Therefore, despite having a good chin I have a really hard time swallowing that Briggs is anywhere near as rock-steady as Mitch "Blood" Green (who for all his faults and the squandering of his potential for whom nobody else is to blame, had two undeniable qualities that we can clearly see on film: terrific speed and a near-ATG chin).

Bye, Foreman Hook's credibility. :hi:

 

Foreman's Hook is an ignorant knob gobbler who can't see past the end of his hand.

 

Can we take it you are not a fan then?

 

Hey, ease up guys. Maybe we're in the wrong. Maybe Foreman Hook is on to something here.

We should look back at any "TKO" listed on Boxrec and accept that the person on the losing end of it got knocked the **** spark out cold.

Remember when Peter Manfredo Jr. was KTFO by Joe Calzaghe?

Or those two times Floyd Patterson was KTFO by Ali?

How about when Vitali Klitschko got KTFO by Lennox Lewis? :deal

 

Common sense: Vitali does not hit as hard as Foreman or Lewis.

 

I agree & it should be said in the early rounds against Briggs, Foreman was so faded that his punches lacked the snap they had earlier in his comeback. However, later in the fight, Foreman seemed to have regained some potency in his punches & appeared to hurt Briggs with far greater ease & regularity than Vitali; who needed to inflict significant accumulations of punches rather than single shots to wobble Shannon.

 

Briggs is more durable now. He added muscle and weight. His neck is much thicker and stronger, and he has more defensive experience.

Simply stated Briggs takes a better shot in the 2000's. At no point in the fight was Foreman close to stopping Briggs. However, Vitali was close to stopping Briggs at least twice.

 

That is absolute nonsense atsch More defensive experience? His defence has always been crap and it was worse than normal against VITLAY. The point about him taking a better shot in the 2000's is ridiculous too, fighters chins generally don't get better with age, especially guys like Briggs who've eaten shot their whole career.

I knew the excuses for VITLAY getting taken the distance by a shot fighter wouldn't take long to come, and here they are....he has a thicker neck and has added muscle :nut

 

I do agree the weight helped...i can take punches much better when i am at 200 pounds then when i am 170. Of course if i actually fight i have to fight bigger guys..so it more then cancels out...but in sparring..i am much more durable myself.

 

What a DUMB-DUMB. atsch:nut

Briggs Has been obv past-Prime since after Lennox DESTROYED PEAK Briggs 12 YRS AGO! Knocked him down 4 TIMES! He Neve added muscle - After Lennox fight he Added FAT as he DAMAGED-goods. What you mean Defensive exp? He had defence of a Concrete-Post VS VITLAY, he didnnt even hold up his Guard. :rofl
VS Lennox - Briggs at least was Fast-enough to roll with some Punches.
He was shot, Old, way-too-Slow VS VOIDALI to do that. :deal

Why Briggs take a better punch now??? Cos he,Obese, Old, Shot , have no Defense at all And Have no stamina/Endurance?? Foreman Hurt/ROcked Peak/Best Briggs More And Worse then VITLAY hurt SHOT Briggs - watch teh fights again Idiot. :hi:

 

It's always the most recent beating that's the most vivid in a fighter's mind,I suppose.