BRILLIANT ARTICLE - read it: The Tragic Truth of Haye-Harrison

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  1. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Metaphorical mate. They arent going to starve. Put it this way. Would you take a million to fight David Haye? Would you take a million to fight Audley?

    Yes to both?

    Thought so.
     
  2. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The whole situation is a mess. Watch the fight again (though I wouldn't wish such horror to my worst enemy) and upload these theories to your brain. We don't know for sure if it was fixed, but the script surely fits. Most of my Haye posts are mockery to an arrogant fighter who can speak up a good fight, but can't fight one, and leaves the door open for such possbilites we're discussing right now.
     
  3. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    Would that mean I have mental problems if I did do it for the money?

    Would it mean I have mental problems if I talked up the fight on the way, claiming I had a chance?

    Would it mean I have mental problems if I was crying afterwards, when a stadium of fans were calling me ****?

    Would it be tragic?

    Surely the fact that he was doing it for the money, which is rational, shows he wasn't mental.
     
  4. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Which is my point.
     
  5. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    Ya sorry, I was going to edit that after re-reading you original post, I misunderstood your original comment. Sorry man.
     
  6. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha. No worries. I thought I was going nuts for a minutes there.
     
  7. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Fair enough, I see where you're coming from, and to be honest, I suspect you're a lot closer to the truth than me. I admit my judgment is probably clouded because I feel genuinely bad for the guy.

    It's just that to me the whole build up was geared around the inevitable humiliation of a guy who was already a figure of national ridicule. It just had that feeling we're everyone is laughing with the simple kid, but he doesn't realise that the joke is actually on him. It's not a typical situation.

    But, as you say, he's a fully grown man, a millionaire and he can make his own choices. It's just that he had to choose between his dignity and a heap of cash, because once he was in the fight he was never going to be capable of doing anything at all to salvage that dignity.

    But that's the nature of the sport I suppose.

    I understand how you mean that the script fits in such a way that it's entirely feasible to have been a fix, it's just that I don't personally think it was. For some reason when I say that it's automatically assumed that I'm defending David Haye, which is not the case at all. My reasoning of the fight not being fixed is actually that it was such a **** fight, such a missmatch both mentally and technically that there was no need to fix it. Why take the risk of fixing a fight against a inferior opponent that you could ko at any point? And if you're going to fix it, why not at least have the opponent punch a bit?

    Haye knew he could finish Harrison at any point, but chose the third because he'd told his friends to bet on this round. This is the only real contentious issue for me. Is it legal? Certainly not if he bet on it himself, which he initially claimed to do. I have to admit I'm surprised that the BBBoC simply took his retraction as easily as they did.

    From what I can gather if his family was to bet based on his prediction, then this is legal, but it's certainly open to debate whether or not it is fair.
     
  8. ed7890

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    That's cool, I just felt the article went a bit too far, and probably got a bit overly riled up over it, needed a bit of time in the angry dome to calm me down :D
     
  9. marting

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    Suspicious prefight talk, claims of self wagerings, strange inactivity for two rounds and nonexistent resistance from Harrison aside, I won't agree with anyone that calls the Haye-Harrison fight a dive.

    I won't disagree either.

    I don't think I have enough evidence to mount an argument.