Brit Forum scores CONTROVERSIAL fights... #5 Brodie/Chi I

Witter-Corley must have run it close

 

And Naz v Cesar Soto .... Naz's timing was way off, if it wasnt for him body slamming Soto twice then that fight might go down as the most boring fight ever .... I've actually never seen Naz v Calvo but apparently that was pretty bad too

 

Naz-Calvo was truely awful!!

 

Other fights to consider:

Whitaker vs De La Hoya
Trinidad vs De La Hoya

 

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Will do it after the apprentice.

 

It's a quaint little idea you have there. Especially the part about it 'not being a knock' if a guy can't compensate for 7 pounds in weight. It should be a knock. If a fairly big built guy like Hatton can't adjust to whatever tiny disadvantages come his way from moving up to a slightly higher weight, then he doesn't have the tools, skills or boxing brain necesary to be considered amongst the P4P elite.

Q. How many current top ten fighters have only performed well at one single weight?

Hatton is not a natural 140 pounder. He's had to boil down and manipulate his body to make that weight. If you're comfortable with the idea that a fighter ,who is not at any kind of physiological glass ceiling, can go from being an 'absolute monster' at 140, to 'totally useless and incapable of decisively defeating mediocre fighters' at 147 (despite coming in at what, 150-152?) then that is your call.

Personally I find it to be a bit of a misnomer.

 

Gets my vote.

 

Excellent TFFP, i have it Leonard by 2 points and im totally unbiased on this one as im a huge fan of both Hagler and Leonard .. The results should be interesting because many fans and many respected fight journalists have Hagler edging it ..

 

I had Hagler-Leonard a draw, 5 rounds apiece with two even.

Marvin threw it away in the first few rounds by boxing orthodox.

 

Come on Hoya. Hatton is a natural 140lber because he makes and fights at, 140lbs. Sure he boils down to the weight but so does every other fighter.

I don't know where the "totally useless" at 147 comment comes from or whether I'd call Collazo "mediocre" either????

Its true that he doesn't belong in the P4P elite, the PBF and Pac fights have shown that, but the fact he struggled at 147 (he was 1-1 and beltholder BTW) has no bearing whatsoever on what he achieved at 140 and doesn't mean he wasn't a decent fighter.

 

Gaz, I'm not having a go at Hatton. I just don't like being ridiculed by Trotter for suggesting that Hatton not being able to move up effectively is actually a black mark against his name. It's pretty obvious that in the grand scheme of things, that is a damaging fact to his P4P status when all things are being considered.

I think in the context of the P4P elite which is the issue I'm skirting around, Collazo probablly is best described as mediocre. I don't think Hatton is totally useless at 147, I just choose those words to make my point that people push this concept of brilliant at one weight, and totally crap a whole seven pounds higher. It's extremist nonsense, IMO...

Not in general, I'm not going to blame Ivan Calderon for not picking up a title at a higher weight because his physiology is so distinct, unlike Hatton where it is pretty arbitrary whether he fights at 140 or 147 because he is boiling down from a light-heavy every time he starts a camp.

Hatton was good fighter, a decent fighter. I don't think he was ever a great fighter at any weight and the signifigance of the reasons attached to the disparity of performances between 140 & 147 are a bit silly.

 

I remember having this fight 6 rounds each with the knockdown making Hatton take it by a point.

 

Hoya, how "bad" were his performaces at 147? He lost to guy that he would have lost to at 140 and beat a decent top 10 fighter in Collazo.

Don;t get me wrong I think Hatton did struggle at 147 but I also think its understandable for a short fighter, with poor reach who traded on his strenght. Unlike the greats, elites or whatever they're called Hatton did need every advantage to operate in world class and giving away natural weight, even only 7lbs, was a big ask for him.

 

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