BRIT FORUM SCORES CONTROVERSIAL FIGHTS CLASSIC TRILOGY: Morales - Barrera II

Farmboxer · Aug 6, 2010

Hagler.

Losfer_Words · Aug 6, 2010

Don't mind me. I'm just bumping the scores to make it a bit easier to tally up.

diggler said: ↑

i scored it 115-114 leonard really close fight, so many of the rounds hard to score wouldnt argue with anyone if they had hagler winning by a similar margin
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digregorio1. said: ↑

Heres my scores...

Leanord..... 10___10___10___10____9____10____9____9_____9_____9____10____10____115

Hagler.........9____9____9____9____10____9____10___10____10____10____9_____9____113

Had leanord winning it i preferred his work and style, close few rounds at the end ther but felt Leanord landed the cleaner and more effective shots throughout and landed more on Hagler's chin, feel free to comment...

edit: rewatched it and gave Hagler round 10 and leanord 12 im settled on this now - why i hate scoring fights
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Godfather said: ↑

Leonard
Even
Leonard
Leonard
Even
Leonard
Hagler
Hagler
Hagler
Hagler
Leonard
Hagler

115-115

This is ridiculous. The last 3 fights I've scored have all been draws on my card!
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SandyCraddock said: ↑

Leonard
Leonard
Leonard
Leonard
Leonard
Leonard
Hagler
Hagler
Hagler
Leonard
Leonard
Hagler

116-112 Leonard

I had the third very close but thought Leonard nicked it.
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Guy said: ↑

You did.

Guy (115-113)
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Losfer_Words said: ↑

Hagler 114-115 Leonard. The mid-late rounds in this fight are an absolute ***** to score, IMO. I even watched the last round twice as well. Initially I thought Hagler, but on closer inspection I feel Leonard landed the better shots with his flurries in the final stanza. Here is how I scored the individual rounds:

1-L
2-L
3-L
4-L
5-H
6-EVEN
7-H
8-H
9-L
10-H
11-H
12-L

In my defence, I did ask for recommendations and that's the first one I got. If you did then I am sorry:conf.

Hold your horses there, fella. We can't **** off all the people who have now scored this fight. Give it two weeks or a month (however long people think it should be between scoring these fights) and recommendations will be open again for the next fight. If everyone else is happy with Martinez-Williams, then it suits me as well:good.
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ultimate buzz said: ↑

Rnd 1 - 10 - 9 Leonard
Rnd 2 - 10- 9 Leonard
Rnd 3 - 10 - 9 Leonard
Rnd 4 - 10 - 9 Leonard
Rnd 5 - 10 - 9 Leonard
Rnd 6 - 10 - 9 Hagler
Rnd 7 - 10 - 9 Hagler
Rnd 8 - 10 - 9 Hagler
Rnd 9 - 10 - 10 even
Rnd 10 - 10 - 9 Hagler
Rnd 11 - 10 - 9 Leonard
Rnd 12 - 10 - 9 Hagler

115 - 114 Leonard.
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Mandanda said: ↑

Hagler 116-113

1)Leonard
2)Leonard
3)Draw
4)Leonard
5)Hagler
6)Hagler
7)Hagler
8 ) Hagler
9)Hagler
10)Hagler
11)Leonard
12)Hagler
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dftaylor said: ↑

115-114 Leonard

L H
10-9
10-9
10-9
10-9
9-10
10-9
9-10
9-10
9-10
10-9
10-10
9-10

The 118-110 scorecard at the time was someone wishing Leonard to win, and I understand the score for Hagler. The rounds I gave to Leonard later on could easily have gone to Hagler.

The 11th round was difficult. While Hagler's punches were harder, Leonard was making him miss so much that I gave him credit for that along with his own shots. So, an even round seemed fair.

For me, it was Leonard winning the sixth that made it possible for him. He took the initiative away from Hagler after his first good round of the fight. Even though Hagler won the next three, it gave Leonard the chance to snatch rounds just by keeping them close.

Great fight, but I'd forgotten how angry Hagler was right after.
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kosaros said: ↑

1. Leonard 10-9 Hagler
2. Leonard 10-9 Hagler
3. Leonard 10-9 Hagler
4. Leonard 10-9 Hagler
5. Leonard 10-9 Hagler
6. Leonard 10-9 Hagler
7. Leonard 9-10 Hagler
8. Leonard 9-10 Hagler
9. Leonard 10-10 Hagler
10. Leonard 9-10 Hagler
11. Leonard 10-9 Hagler
12. Leonard 9-10 Hagler

Leonard 116-113 Hagler.

As already said, lots of close rounds - I just liked the flashier work of Leonard more. Round 9 is what this sport is all about :yep
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TonyD407 said: ↑

srl 115-113
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D-MAC said: ↑

Round One: 10-9 Leonard
Round Two: 10-9 Leonard
Round Three: 10-9 Leonard
Round Four: 10-9 Leonard
Round Five: 10-9 Hagler
Round Six: 10-9 Leonard
Round Seven: 10-9 Hagler
Round Eight: 10-9 Hagler
Round Nine: 10-9 Hagler
Round Ten: 10-9 Hagler
Round Eleven: 10-9 Leonard
Round Twelve: 10-10 Draw

Sugar Ray Leonard 115 - 114 Marvin Hagler

The 5th, 6th and 12th were big swing rounds for me. I found it very hard to seperate them in those ones, but I just went with my gut instinct in the 5th and 6th, and thought that so little happened in the 12th (Hagler landed the harder blows, while Leonard landed more punches, but of a "lighter" variety) that i'd make it a 10-10, thereby giving Leonard the win.

Round 9 was amazing - one of the best round of boxing I've seen. Punches flying everywhere, dazzling combos from Leonard, but with Marvin landed real telling shots with Leonard trapped on the ropes. Real back-and-forth ****.

What seemed obvious, at least after the second round, was that Leonard's general plan was to move for the first minute to first minute and a half of every round, staying off the ropes and out of the corners, making Marvin miss, but not really throwing many of his own punches. In the second half of the round you saw him pick it up more, and he won a lot of his rounds that way.
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GazOC said: ↑

1 Leonard
2 Leonard
3 Leonard
4 Leonard
5 Hagler
6 Leonard (close)
7 Hagler
8 Hagler
9 Hagler
10 Hagler
11 Leonard
12 Leonard

115-113 Leonard.
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achillesthegreat said: ↑

115-113 Leonard.
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ricardoparker93 said: ↑

115 - 114 Hagler based on his EFFECTIVE punching over the second half of the fight, running doesn't equate to ring generalship...

118 - 110 is a travesty
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Lee Mc said: ↑

116-112 Leonard...

I know I'm going to get some stick for saying this BUT it's one of the EASIEST fights to score in history IMHO.
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WalletInspector said: ↑

1 - Leonard
2 - Leonard
3 - Leonard
4 - Leonard
5 - Hagler
6 - Leonard
7 - Hagler
8 - Hagler
9 - Hagler
10 - Hagler
11 - Leonard
12 - Leonard

Leonard 115-113
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safc1990 said: ↑

Round 1- 10-9 Leonard
Round 2- 10-9 Leonard
Round 3- 10-9 Leonard
Round 4- 10-9 Leonard
Round 5- 10-9 Hagler
Round 6- 10-9 Leonard
Round 7- 10-9 Hagler
Round 8- 10-9 Hagler
Round 9- 10-9 Hagler
Round 10- 10-9 Hagler
Round 11- 10-9 Leonard
Round 12- 10-9 Leonard

115-113 Leonard

Just realised that mine and WalletInspector's scorecards are identical.
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Grievesy said: ↑

1. Leonard
2. Leonard
3. Leonard
4. Leonard
5. Hagler
6. Leonard
7. Hagler
8. Hagler
9. Hagler
10. Hagler
11. Even
12. Hagler

Hagler 115-114 Leonard

Very close fight. A few rounds are an absolute ***** to score. I had to watch the 12th twice, with the sound off as the crowds react to anything which can mislead you. I had the 11th even as neither really did enough for me. Hagler was missing a lot but landing solidly when he did, while Leonard threw a couple of flashy combos but did little else.

I thought I'd hate re-watching this fight as a Hagler fan, but I really quite enjoyed it.
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antcull said: ↑

SRL - MH

10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9
9 - 10
9 - 10
9 - 10
9 - 10
10 - 9
9 - 10
9 - 10
10 - 9

114-114

Had it even this time, in 3 times watching this fight I haven't scored it to SRL yet, twice scored it a draw now although I feel Hagler caused the most damage over the course of the fight. His work on the inside when he got there outdid the fast combos from SRL.

Wish Hagler had fought on for a couple years and taken on the likes of Nunn, Kalambay and McCallum. Could have had some great little fights :bbb
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ricardoparker93 said: ↑

Heres my scorecard

1. Leonard
2. Leonard
3. Leonard
4. Leonard
5. Hagler
6. Hagler
7. Hagler
8. Hagler
9. Hagler
10. Hagler
11. Even
12. Leonard

115 - 114 Hagler
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robpalmer135 said: ↑

1. Leonard
2. Leonard
3. Leonard
4. Leonard
5. Hagler
6. Leonard
7. Hagler
8. Hagler
9. Hagler
10. Hagler
11. Leonard
12. Leonard

Leonard 115-113 Hagler
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Tommy O C said: ↑

10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Hagler
10-9 Leonard
10-9 Leonard
115-113 Leonard. Leonard looked like the career middleweight in there I think. Wonder if his head had grown in them years off
People always say if Hagler fought the first 2 rounds southpaw he wins but I aint so sure. The way Leonard started the fight, moving around so much, I dont think Hagler catches him too much even as a southpaw. Never know though.
Got to give Leonard credit for his finish. He seemed tired from about the 5yh or 6th onwards but managed to get it together.
My suggestion for the next fight is Johnny Tapia- Paulie Ayala 1
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johna_83 · Aug 6, 2010

1 Leonard
2 Leonard
3 Leonard
4 Leonard
5 Hagler
6 Even
7 Hagler
8 Hagler
9 Hagler
10 Hagler
11 Leonard
12 Leonard

115-114 Leonard

hagman1989 · Aug 6, 2010

whens this fight closing ? i scored the first 8 the other day , still time to finish up and post?

Losfer_Words · Aug 6, 2010

hagman1989 said: ↑

whens this fight closing ? i scored the first 8 the other day , still time to finish up and post?
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Yeah, I'll tally it all up tomorrow morning or afternoon (if I can) and update the thread with Williams-Martinez, mate.

Losfer_Words · Aug 7, 2010

Right, here are the final scores in all of their glory:

diggler: 115-114 Leonard
digregorio1: 115-113 Leonard
Godfather: 115-115 EVEN
SandyCraddock: 116-112 Leonard
Guy: 115-113 Leonard
Losfer_Words: 115-114 Leonard
ultimate buzz: 115-114 Leonard
Mandanda: 116-113 Hagler
dftaylor: 115-114 Leonard
kosaros: 116-113 Leonard
TonyD407: 115-113 Leonard
D-MAC: 115-114 Leonard
GazOC: 115-113 Leonard (Nuthugger)
achillesthegreat: 115-113 Leonard
ricardoparker93: 115-114 Hagler
LeeMc: 116-112 Leonard
WalletInspector: 115-113 Leonard
safc1990: 115-113 Leonard
Grievesey: 115-114 Hagler
antcull: 114-114 EVEN
robpalmer135: 115-113 Leonard
Tommy O C: 115-113 Leonard
johna_83: 115-114 Leonard

Out of the 23 who scored the fight, 18 scored it for Leonard and 3 scored it to Hagler. Two scorecards were EVEN.

Brit Forum Average Scorecard: Leonard 114.9 - 113.6 Hagler

Losfer_Words · Aug 7, 2010

Mods, please delete the first 4 comments of this thread after the opening post so I have enough room to post the results neatly on the first page. Cheers.

GazOC · Aug 7, 2010

Losfer_Words said: ↑

GazOC: 115-113 Leonard (Nuthugger)
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I'd just like to point out that 115-113 Leonard is the single most popular card submitted and I am just 0.1 and 0.6 points away from the average scores for the 2 fighters. :deal

safc1990 · Aug 7, 2010

So it's Martinez-Williams next?

dftaylor · Aug 7, 2010

Also, Martinez-Williams is available in a high res stream from HBO's site. It can be a little jumpy but if you're a late night viewer like me, then it's perfect.

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/index.htm...kFsF4ZZmp5baZeSmpFUBmiq2hgbmRqbEhGyMAY2MqEA==

GazOC · Aug 7, 2010

Looking foorward to rewatching this one.

Boxingnut5 · Aug 7, 2010

Losfer_Words said: ↑

Right, here are the final scores in all of their glory:

diggler: 115-114 Leonard
digregorio1: 115-113 Leonard
Godfather: 115-115 EVEN
SandyCraddock: 116-112 Leonard
Guy: 115-113 Leonard
Losfer_Words: 115-114 Leonard
ultimate buzz: 115-114 Leonard
Mandanda: 116-113 Hagler
dftaylor: 115-114 Leonard
kosaros: 116-113 Leonard
TonyD407: 115-113 Leonard
D-MAC: 115-114 Leonard
GazOC: 115-113 Leonard (Nuthugger)
achillesthegreat: 115-113 Leonard
ricardoparker93: 115-114 Hagler
LeeMc: 116-112 Leonard
WalletInspector: 115-113 Leonard
safc1990: 115-113 Leonard
Grievesey: 115-114 Hagler
antcull: 114-114 EVEN
robpalmer135: 115-113 Leonard
Tommy O C: 115-113 Leonard
johna_83: 115-114 Leonard

Out of the 23 who scored the fight, 18 scored it for Leonard and 3 scored it to Hagler. Two scorecards were EVEN.

Brit Forum Average Scorecard: Leonard 114.9 - 113.6 Hagler
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You didn't include mine so the whole thing is null and void!! Only joking.

Losfer_Words · Aug 7, 2010

Boxingnut5 said: ↑

I watched it on closed circuit at the time and have watched it numerous times since and I have always come up with the same score, 115-114 for Leonard. Can't remember the round by round but I know I had Leonard winning the first four rounds and Hagler winning the 5th and the 9th.
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Boxingnut5 said: ↑

You didn't include mine so the whole thing is null and void!! Only joking.
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**** sake. Sorry, mate. I'll update it on the first page. If I left anyone else out then please let me know. Everyone has one week to score the new fight from today. Cheers.

EDIT: Done. I'm sure that's everyone. I've just recalculated everything and the average scorecard is still exactly the same as before.

safc1990 · Aug 7, 2010

Round 1- Martinez 10-9
Round 2- Martinez 10-9
Round 3- Martinez 10-9
Round 4- Williams 10-9
Round 5- Williams 10-9
Round 6- Williams 10-9
Round 7- Williams 10-9
Round 8- Martinez 10-9
Round 9- Williams 10-9
Round 10- Martinez 10-9
Round 11- Martinez 10-9
Round 12- Williams 10-9

Total- 114-114

Godfather · Aug 7, 2010

Martinez
Martinez
Martinez
Martinez
Williams
Williams
Williams
Martinez
Williams
Martinez
Martinez
Even

116-113 Martinez

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