Brit forums view on Cotto's split with his trainer

I commented on your comment that Clottey was 'not the hardest opponent to figure out'. That very much applies to Margarito as well and yet Cotto, in most people's opinions, conspicuously failed to fight an intelligent fight against him.

Maybe he's learnt his lesson from that, but I don't think we can take it as a given.

 

really? did hear about this when did it happen?

 

Clottey isn't the hardest opponent to figure out, and losing Evangelista won't make that task anymore difficult. I'm assuming Cotto will have learned a few lessons from the Margo fight. But given the context of that particular fight, I don't think we can say how relevent it is to anything Cotto will go on to do.

 

Context of that fight? Aside from the fact that people familiar with Vegas procedures (and the Nevada boxing authorities) assert that it would not be possible for a fighter to use doctored handwraps for the simple reason that the gauze is supplied by the commission rather than the fighter, the main conclusion I am drawing from that fight is that Cotto went in with a bad plan and failed/was not able to adjust when it became obvious that it was bad and that the stamina problems that were evident against Mosley again showed themselves. None of which (especially the first) is particularly dependent on what Margarito may or may not hypothetically have had in his gloves.

 

heard it a while ago about maybe 2 weeks

 

The context of that fight is, that we can't say with any degree of certainty whether or not Margarito had loaded gloves. The popular opinion seems to be that he probably did.

Cotto didn't have a bad plan as such, it worked fine in the first half of the fight. What he didn't show, was an ability to adapt that plan when things started to go wrong.

 

How does the popular opinion suggest that he overcame the fact that he couldn't use his own gauze in a Nevada ring?

 

HOYA/COBBLER wtf are you even argueing about???

 

What kind of garbled question is that?

Do you deny that the majority of people believe that Margo had loaded gloves against Cotto?

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126729

Like it or not, that is what most people believe, and that is the context in which that particular fight is now viewed in hindsight.

 

I'm not arguing with him. He is just being a contrary mother****er for some reason.

 

and your not?

 

What, me? No, never.

 

I'm not arguing that if you do a poll amongst internet dwellers you wouldn't get a majority saying that they thought Magarito's gloves were loaded. But you can get internet polls to show the people believe almost anything.

It shouldn't be confused with proof that that is actually true, especially when most of the people participating probably aren't even aware of the different procedures for wrapping hands between California and Nevada.

 

Obviously. But that is the context of the fight. Like it or not.

 

It's doesn't have to be the context when you and I are debating it, however, as we actually know the facts. The reactionary opinions of people who are ignorant of those facts don't necesarily have to impact.

If I was having a discussion about evolution I wouldn't feel compelled to place it in the context of a majority of people thinking that humans were personally fashioned by God.