British Boxing Training and whats wrong

Nigel Benn had 18 fights in his first 16 months, exactly.

That's the way to ****ing do it.

18 fights in 16 months! Loved Benn.

 

Mind you, Tyson only had about 20 amateur fights. He just had a lot of hard sparring available..

 

My missus has got into boxing since she got with me, Give her dues she really tries even though you know she's struggling to keep up with names etc.

Anyways she said the other week after watching the undercard of Clev-Bellew then undercard of Hopkins-Dawson that 'the american fights have better technique, they seem more skilled in there compared to the British fights'. I have noticed it for years that the ability even on undercards at times when compared is night and day.

 

They also look bigger/stronger, I have said this alot...either there is an issue with British fighters inactivity and then having to cut weight or they just dont train hard enough.

If you are looking after yourself and doing the type of excersize that boxers do, more should look stronger.

Look at Quigq v Booth, Quigg looked massive!
Barker v Martinez, Martinez looked massive!
Macklin v Sturm, Sturm looked massive
Rhodes v Alvarez, Alvarez massive
Mcloskey v Khan, Khan looked massive
DeGale v that polski, Polski guy looked bigger and had harder punches.


Anyway I reckon there is a pattern but dont know why.

Froch, Khan, Brook are probably the exception and Quigg looked big on Saturday. I havent noticed it as much until the big brits start going up to European / World level.

 

dont look too much into amount of amateur fights. I know plenty of pros who had anything from 80-150 and if anything it can take them longer tyo readjust their style.

Plus all the Americans etc who claim they have had 400+, some may have but I call bull**** on a lot of them. Your not allowed to box till your eleven and a lot of these guys turned pro before they were 21. So that would be a bout 40 fights a year, remember there's 4 months of a season with no boxing so your looking at about 5 bouts per month for ten years straight, this I don't believe

 

I believe as a coach in any sport you must have a philosophy. I would love to know the philosophy's from the Pro trainers on here.

Like in football some coaches prefer to develop physical attributes and don't worry to much about technique. Other coaches prefer to develop a players technique and insight.

I may return to make a thread on this subject later on. Only worry is we don't have many trainers and they may be a bit defensive about sharing there philosophy's.

 

I would say this fighter need to look at themselves and what weight they are fighting at not keep to far off of that weight when out of camp this gives them time to hone their boxing skills and develop their style if you train 6 hours a day and 3 of those hours are spent on getting the weight down then over the course of an 8 week camp even if they swapped just one hour for skill and technique that 50 odd hours per camp of technique and skill training lost magnify that over the course of a few camps and there is the difference.

 

i suspect too many when they get to a certain level dont continue to develop there terchnique. i see some foreign fighters and from fight five ompared to 15, 25 and 35 you can see technical improvements across their career. i think you see the brits improve and then often deteriorate as money and success and fame comes in. hatton and naz being great examples

 

Could be but, Hatton trained like an animal and you could see that in his body, alright maybe he had to due to gained weight inbetween fights.

Tthe best fighters out there are the ones that are dedicated and dont balloon inbetween fights and are therefore fighting more close to their natural weight. Thats probably not too many!

 

Here's a few points that spring to mind immediately - it's a bit of a mish mash, certain trainers might be guilty of one or more of these.....

1. Style overhaul when turning pro - no need for it. Fine tuning in the gym and with regular fights.

2. Not fighting often enough - kinda linked to 1.

3. Staying amateur too long - if you want to be a top pro, turn over at 18/19. Again linked.

4. Pigeon holing - certain trainers work best with certain fighters. Ingles with loose limbed kinda guys, Gallagher with pressure fighters. Find the right mix.

5. Training to make weight and not to improve.

I could write an essay on this really, especially the weight issue. No co-incidence that Froch is still improving at 34 and Hatton was shot at 30, is it?

 

This video highlights a major problem..

Two men who both have differing view on padwork yet neither seem to make a good statement for or against.

Tibbs seems slightly more educated where as Ajay seems to be looking for a poetic answer rather then just stating the point for why it's good to use Mayweather pads.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abjkl0TFvbc&feature=channel_video_title[/ame]

 

The British trainers are very base-minded and 'old-school'. It's all about 'get stuck in my son'.

Do they not understand that pad work isn't just to simulate fighting or sparring. Pad work is also good for reflexes, hand-eye coordination, reaction time, working memory (regarding combos), etc. Nothing will substitute sparring or actual fighting...nothing.

The pad work Mayweather does is more to increase speed and allow you to understand what counters what, as well as maintain posture and focus for every second of three minutes. You get hit with the right hand? Shoulder roll, uppercut, left hook, right cross. Get hit with the hook? Block the hook, give a hook back, right cross, left hook. Etc.

What about the speed bag? Shall we yank all of those out of every gym in the UK and bin them, because how many fighters hit an opponent the way they hit the speed bag? It trains hand-eye coordination. There is a difference.

Mayweather by all accounts does his pad work with Roger (and before that Sr) more than he does anything else, and has since childhood. It is paramount to his success. He's probably doing it right now.

 

reply above was related to vid above

 

:good Good post mate.

 

Excellent post:good