British Documentary in 2000 on Roy Jones, no mention of Calzaghe

End of all the BS saying Jones wanted none of Zags. :good

 

its all about timing really, Joe was unknown before Lacy, fighting for un unknown unwanted title up till at least the early 2000s.

Basically guys like Froch, Dawson and Ward and even Groves made it big years before Joe achieved it.

But then you have to remember that its obvious that Joe was a late bloomer who peaked around 34-35 when he fought and beat his best opposition (both of them). If Joe had fought anyone good before he peaked his ringcraft, then he would have picked up losses, so he did the right thing for his limitations.

By the time Roy was old and past it, Joe was just post prime peak and so was able to beat up on the faded fortysomething like Holmes beating up fat Ali (although Holmes would NEVER dream of showboating against Ali like Joe did so classlessly, and also Holmes DIDNT deliberately wait for Ali to get old and Parkinsons before daring to face him).

 

Realistically, he'd have had to have dropped some of them. He was only fighting twice a year at that point, and had three mandatories to fight. That's why he asked for extensions in the past. Unless he'd have got fantastic money for Joe, there was no point in going back down to 168. Other than money, what else was there on offer? Joe was still relatively unknown at that point, and I doubt that Roy would have been interested in Joe's belt.

 

In the above interview, Brad Jacobs was quoted as saying 'if the fight's attractive then a deal can be worked out'

But the deal wasn't attractive. Because Joe was relatively unknown back then.

Also, we know that shortly after this interview was conducted, Brad Jacobs and Kerry Davis (VP of HBO) tried to get Roy the Dariusz M fight.

 

Fascinating read.

 

The whole thing was a mess... Embarassing for all parties involved, including Indiana.:yep

 

Calzaghe agreed to fight Jones if the fight was there and he could go up and challenge.
Jones also noted he was looking to drop down and mentioned fighting Calzaghe at SMW

How much was Jones making. I think it was 5 mil on the table. Was he making that much a fight back then?

Fantastic find atberry, but I have shown Loudon links like this and he says Calzaghe wasnt of interest but it was Jones who mentioned it atsch

Why would Jones mention a possibility of facing Calzaghe if it was not of interest?
Point has been proven to you Loudon

Far from Kmac, in fact since the link has been given it has been very interesting with mentioning Jones was 5 or 6 times over acceptable level after a test.

 

This post has fail written all over it.
I will just pick out a small part rather than the whole post that has various bits I could pick apart.

Yes Groves is involved in a massive fight, but how at 26 when losing by debateable stoppage to Froch has Groves made it when Calzaghe at 25 was beating a younger more accomplished SMW in Eubank hadnt made it.
Do you not realise these are different times and circumstances?

Who at SMW do you think would have beaten Calzaghe during his reign?

 

if its failey written all over it then why did you pick out the weakest part and ignore the supposed other parts which are stronger?

Answer -because the only failey here is you. Its your name. Like Joe, you like to pick on the weakest elements and ignore the strong ones.

Groves almost captured a valid world title. Joe won an unwanted title from a boxer NOT interested in winning.

Even your attempt to batter the weakest part of my post failed so I can see why you ignored the strong points.

I am not interested in you bringing up completely irrelevant questions to deflect from your faliure here.

 

I'm not going through all of this again, it's like Groundhog Day.

So I'll be very brief.

Joe would have taken the fight, had it been on offer.

But it was never on offer, because after briefly considering a fight on a few occasions, Roy and HBO, went with what they thought were better options.

That's what happened.

In the above interview, Brad Jacobs said that if it was attractive enough, they'd be interested. But in the end, he tried to make the Dariusz M fight with Kerry Davis, before Roy went on to fight Julio Gonzalez.

Frank W was out of his mind trying to set up a SMW tournament, with a MW and a LHW.

After the Clinton Woods fight, Roy made it clear what his intentions were.

"The only thing stopping a fight with Tarver, is a John Ruiz fight. But it will be Tarver or Ruiz next."

 

dope doc

 

makes sense that calzaghe isn't mentioned - do docs about the greatness of Ali mention trevor berbick?

 

Very good documentary.

I think some people forget how good Jones was considered back then.

 

Joe simply wasn' t that great of a fighter when compared to his contemporaries !


This is why he carefully selected who and when to fight someone ..Honestly outside of Hopkins which came closer to his retirement what names really elevated his legacy ? An old Eubank ? Kessler? Honestly his wins are good but not great ! And his resume is littered with no hopers ! Respect for his title defenses but most of the guys he defended against never really did great things !


Adding great names at the tail end of your career does not elevate you it just gives his resume more recognition more so than anything.

 

He was pretty good compared to other guys in his division.