British Documentary in 2000 on Roy Jones, no mention of Calzaghe

yep the consensus is that he was pretty good, about on par with a slightly faded robin reid, whom he drew level with in their fight when he was prime.
obviously a young prime reid from his Olympic bound form up to his prime was better than joe, the Olympic reid stopped joe getting neer the Olympic team. Joe was not good enough to make the Olympic team like robin was able.

he is saying that hes not that great, which is entuirely true, joes not a great.

 

If this documentary was American made, all the Caltards would be up in arms. But seeing as its British made, Calzaghr indeed was/is a joke

 

Joe is one of the greatest SMW's of all time.

 

The one fight which could have ascended him into the lowest ranks of greatness, was the Hopkins fight. So what does he do? get an unconvincing SD and refuses a rematch.

'I dont do rematches' and this guy is meant to be great?

GTFOH

 

Hopkins/Calzaghe stunk the place out, nobody apart from Hopkins and his most die hard fanboys wanted to see a rematch.

And what the hell would a rematch prove? Calzaghe got **** on immediately after the fight for beating a 40+ year old man and that didn't change when Hopkins destroyed Pavlik before the year was over, and even now with Hopkins still going strong as one of the worlds best Light Heavyweights 6 years later there are people who wont give Calzaghe any credit for the win because of Hopkins' age. What would be the ****ing point of rematching him when he's not going to get any credit for even fighting him in the first place let alone beating him?

 

hes top ten agreed, and smws have been around for about 20 years in any real form, with a few embryonic years preceeding that. In context, tommy burns was one of the greatest hws in 1915.

outside smw joes not even top 10000.

 

The point im making is, if Calzaghe really fancied greatness, he would have rematched Hopkins to destroy him and/or shut him the **** up.

He didnt, instead he ran over to another 40+ year old and decisioned him, that same guy was sparked in one round not shortly after.

 

Unless you're Mario Veit

 

Calzaghe was in his last year as an active fighter - he's said before his fought Kessler in 2007 that he was going to retire after 2008 - he wasn't interested in proving his "greatness".

Being the only man to date to have held every relevant Super Middleweight Title and being the first undisputed king of the division then achiving one win over the king of the Light Heavyweight was enough to secure his legacy as one of the top fighters of his generation, after that he was only after one big payday before he retired.

Whatever else Roy Jones was he was still a big and marketable name and the most lucrative fight available for Calzaghe at that time.

Calzaghe was always a money fighter, always after easy fights for easy money and didn't challenge himself half as much as he could or should have, but the fact remain a rematch with Hopkins had no appeal in any way. It wouldn't be a big payday because the way the first fight went made a rematch unsellable and it wouldn't be a good legacy fight because people didn't give him any credit at all for even fighting Hopkins the first time - writing off the whole thing because of Hopkins' age - fighting Jones at least made him a good deal of money even if it did nothing for his legacy.

 

of course why would a british documentary mention gibbering joe, that was the start of roy jones eurobum exhibition bouts.

no way does anyone see it as a serious fight, even joe says roy was apst it years before it

 

That whole paragraph sounds like you are describing Roy Jones :rofl

 

Nope that's Joe's legacy not Roy's

 

Switch the Hopkins part and insert Toney and it absolutely is Roy Jones :roflatsch

 

Was Toney old or shot ? Nice try Rico