British Elite Fighters

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by davidmcallister, Jun 22, 2014.


  1. davidmcallister

    davidmcallister Well-Known Member Full Member

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    After listening to Talksport about how the England team cannot produce Elite players it got me wondering about British fighters having the same problems, yes we can get World champions but fighters who can truly compete at Elite level only come once in a Generation!! Here are some fighters that i have grown up watching and where i rate them:

    Elite:

    Lennox Lewis was probably the only Elite fighter I really remember from these shores (Although he boxed for Canada as an Amateur) He could mix it with and beat the best fighters in the world when he was boxing.

    Just under Elite:

    Chris Eubank, Joe Calzaghe, Nigel Benn, Carl Froch, Prince Naseem Hamed, Ricky Hatton, David Haye, Amir Khan.

    These were all very good World champions but imo the were just under elite level and could beat almost anybody on their day except the true Elite level fighters.

    Joe Calzaghe and Carl Froch are the 2 from this list that I think were closest to reaching elite level, if Joe had beaten Roy Jones 5-6 years earlier he might have sneaked in and Carl has beaten most of the top fighters in his division but would have needed to beat Ward to get in imo.

    Solid World Champions:

    Scott Harrison, Junior Witter, Paul Ingle, Johnny Nelson, Glen Cattley, Steve Robinson, Ricky Burns, Wayne McCulloch, Carl Thompson, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Clinton Woods, Enzo Macaranelli, Frank Bruno

    These guys all had decent runs as World champions but could be handily beaten by fighters that were maybe not classed as elite, there might be a couple here that people might think should be at the just under elite level but this is just my opinion.

    World Champions

    Gavin Rees, Alex Arthur, Nicky Cook, Herbie Hide, Stuart Hall, Jamie McDonnell, Paul Butler

    These were boxers who won titles but haven't boxed or imo would never have troubled the fighter vying for elite level.


    These are just the ones that I can remember from my era and ones that I have seen boxing and I have put them in an order that is my opinion but why haven't the Brits had more elite level fighter?

    is it down to our population size, our coaches and training methods or maybe the fact that there is less poverty here so our fighters are not as hungry to be the best as fighters from other countries?

    I'd like to hear thoughts on the reasons we don't have more elite fighters and see what other fighters posters on here class as Elite or just fighters I have missed out of the lists.
     
  2. Solarse

    Solarse Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I like Lewis, but what elite in there prime heavyweight did he beat ??
     
  3. dannyboy147

    dannyboy147 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe and Hamed not elite? Didn't they both unify their divisions?!!
     
  4. Pez

    Pez Active Member Full Member

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    I think it's a bit harsh to say Calzaghe wasn't elite when he was clearly the best Super Middleweight at the time. How are we classing elite? I would have thought if you're the best in the division or in the top 2 or 3 you'd be elite.
     
  5. big_daddy

    big_daddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Aye, could argue crusiierweight haye should be classed as elite, and cleverly as a solid world champ
     
  6. davidmcallister

    davidmcallister Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I only say they aren't elite because they never beat the best fighters at teh time, like I said Calzaghe was close but for me him not fighting Roy Jones earlier in his career when Roy was at his best stopped me from putting him in.

    Naseem Hamed never beat an Elite fighter either, when he stepped up against barrera he got beat and never tried to prove he was elite after his defeat by rematching barrera or fighting Erik Morales
     
  7. DanielJFiasco

    DanielJFiasco Active Member Full Member

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    But how many elite fighters worldwide are their at any time ? I'd say most countries have a problem producing them. If Froch isn't classed as elite, having only been beaten twice and being the clear number 2 in the division, then really by that logic there are only about 15 elite fighters in the world. Why would we produce more than 1 or 2 a generation considering the tiny number of registered pros here compared to say Mexico or the US and the small number of elites?
     
  8. Pro Punter

    Pro Punter Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    David Haye would be lucky to be a solid world champion at heavyweight.

    He run away from Valuev and landed 1 punch, beat a faded John Ruiz, Audrey not worth tapping the keboard, ran like a fanny all night from Wlad with an alleged sore toe then beats a domestic fringe journeyman Chisora.

    Proved nothing at heavyweight in my book and in his own words - became another bum on Wlad's record.

    Utmost respect to Ricky Hatton at least attempting to become an elite fighter by facing 2 of the best P4P fighters.

    Joe Calzaghe in my opinion wasted a good opportunity to become an elite legend and we will never know how good he really was. Too many Evans Ashira, Peter Manfredo and shot Roy Jones Jnr fights on the record instead of targeting the biggest names like Ricky Hatton did. You would not expect his most difficult fight and best performance to be against Chris Eubank in his 25th fight.

    Lennox Lewis is the closest to elite we have ever had.

    Good opening post
     
  9. zfc

    zfc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lloyd Honeyghan was elite.
     
  10. davidmcallister

    davidmcallister Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My dad speaks about Honeygan, but as i haven't actually watched much of his fights or others that were before my time, I don't like making judgements on them.

    Would be good to hear from others about elite fighters they have seen from before then, it wasn't until the 90's that I really properly watched boxing!
     
  11. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    what the hell am i reading here????????????????????

    you don't know the meaning of Elite by the looks of it.

    again, what the hell am i reading????????????????

    why i'm asking this, i don't know. but here goes...

    over the last 25 years, which fighters do you consider to be "Elite"?
     
  12. FIN

    FIN Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How was Calzaghe not elite when he unified the super middle weight titles, was number 1 in the division and beat the two top fighter's at the time in Lacy and kessler..
     
  13. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

    please tell me this is a joke Thread???

    it doesn't get any more Elite than Lennox Lewis.

    he personifies it. :patsch
     
  14. Pro Punter

    Pro Punter Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    LL was smashed and KOd by not 1 but 2 non elite fighters.

    That is why some people may have different opinions.
     
  15. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    did you see how many non Elite fighters beat Ali, Robinson, and Louis???

    it's who you beat that makes you an Elite, not the 2 losses due to reasons and what not.
     


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