British fighters left on the shelf

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by bailey, May 7, 2010.


  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    It seems certain British fighters seem to get left on the shelf for too long and dont get moved on quick enough resulting in having hard fights against fighters they are a level above and losing the best of themselves before they get moved up. I know fighters can be moved too fast resulting in shattering defeats that ruin them, so its a difficult thing to judge, but can you see where im coming from?
    Some that springs to mind are J Moore, R Rhodes, M Macklin, A Arthur, D Williams, D Starie etc
    I think this may happen to J Murray
    Does anyone agree and can see this possibly happening to existing fighters now or others it has happend to?
     
  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    If anything Rhodes got moved too fast, not too slow. He wasn't ready for Grant (esp. at 160) when he fought for the world title.
     
  3. MrMagoo1986

    MrMagoo1986 Active Member Full Member

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    murray wo in his fight tonight, but hes too inactive, its so weird thinking 2 yrs ago everyon wa talking about murray vs khan, look how their careers have ended up. Khan now would box the ears off him. Shame cause i do think murray had talent, but what khan had was a much much much better promoter
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with that bit, I was focusing a bit more after he suffered his defeat to Blundell
     
  5. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rhodes got moved too quickly for certaina nd he is only really just recovering from that. The others well i would say they are a mixture of good but not top level fighters who probably dont sell enough tickets to warrant fast tracking to a title shot. They are all big risk little reward fighters in terms of title shots etc
     
  6. brucebufershair

    brucebufershair Active Member Full Member

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    I think it varies from case to case . I think Hennessy fighters like Murray defenitely struggle to get fights which is a shame because he seems like a decent fighter . A guy like Alex Arthur is difficult to find fights for because promoters arnt going to let a prospect anywhere near him and he's having to re-establish himself at a higher weight where he's not ranked .
     
  7. Jimi

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    Hatton was left way too long. An 04-05 Hatton makes a much better account of himself at top-top level than the 07-09 version did. Frank didn't want to expose his ca$h cow tho did he. Khan did the right thing and moved on.
     
  8. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would rather Khan went the states fought the best and lsot a few than stay at home and defend a title for years. If he mixes with Bradley Alexander Marquez etc and loses some and wins some you cant really complain
     
  9. TheUzi

    TheUzi MISSION INCOMPLETE Full Member

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    Khan and Hatton are two different cases entirely.

    Hatton's big fight came against Tszyu in 05,you're right,he could've,no he should've been tested sooner. If i recall, Hatton himself was very unhappy with the lack of big fights and probably forced Warrens hand into getting him Tszyu.

    With Khan, how the hell was Warren going to step him up given the fact he was struggling against the likes of Limmond?

    Thinking back at how ferocious Hatton was back in the day,he's pretty underrated
     
  10. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Both versions of Hatton would win the fights they won and lose the fights they lost.
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Nearly all of 'em lets be honest. Except Khan and Haye who have gone pretty fast.

    Froch was way too late in the day, he's made up for it with his succession of fights but still...it seemed an eternity. 30 yrs old before he got to world class..should never happen that way.

    Hatton and Calzaghe waited far too long as everybody would probably recognise. It shouldn't really be taking 30+ fights to get into elite competiton if you are as good as these guys.

    And we've seen it with quite a few of the upcoming prospects. John Murray's inactivity is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a while. Kevin Mitchell knocked over so many tomato cans it was geting towards a joke, luckily that seems to be finally over and at least he's young. I like the way Cleverly has progressed quite nicely, that should be a benchmark.
     
  12. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    I don't think that Rhodes was moved along too quickly he was just fighting at the wrong weight
     
  13. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    He was fighting 154 but the chance of a title shot at 160 came along before he was ready at either weight (IMHO).

    Either way what he should have done when he lost to Grant at 160 was to move back down to 154 and get on with his career, instead he stuck around at 160 and wasted a lot of years at that weight.
     
  14. NO MAS

    NO MAS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spot on Gaz...:good
     
  15. NO MAS

    NO MAS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that the 2nd coming of Rhodes has been fantastic...:yep

    I agree, he was moved far to quick. I think that the learning he has taken from them fights was exceptional and that's why he is where he is now...:good