British posters:More 4 Tues 11th, ten pm - A documentary about the Thrilla in Manilla

it's weired i have seen him alot and kinda like his style. in the pettway-brown prefight he out smarted and outclassed and outcharisma don king,butch lewis and a stereotypical ibf beuraucrat. and without insulting them or putting them down.

i have seen other documentary's with im in it and he just says it like it is. describing the arena as a boiling pot of tea. funny witty likeable.

but in this one he just didnt seem to gel with the interviewer.

"are you stupid? of course NOI had influence over him...."
"if you get girl problems...."
"frazier was dumb"

i think personally that the interviewer didnt know much about boxing or the life of ali and he is asking basic obvious questions. saying frazier is dumb was clearly a point to expand on...the guy he was talking to would of prolly just accpeted it. when he was with showtime (it think) he had cysz,tyson and gray to bounce off

 

Enjoyed this a lot. Nice to get things from a more pro Frazier perspective for once.

 

To get a flavour of the documentary,here is the director speaking about it.
(BTW no.I don't consider the Thrilla in Manila the greatest fight of all time,let alone the best fight of the trilogy)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/video/2008/nov/11/sheffield-doc-fest-boxing

 

when you think of the extreme conditions they were fighting in and the intensity at which they fought - it is one of the best ever. both men went close to death - not many heavyweight fights were that brutal. ali didn't look marked at the end but he took many great left hooks flush - boy could he take punches as did Frazier in that fight. Im glad it never went to the 15th. coulda been tragic for one. excellent doc :good

 

I was always lead to beleive that Butch Lewis's father was one of the Black Cloverlay backers of Joe.. I honestly didn't think he had anything to do with Fraziers camp himself.. Joes camp really comprosed of Yank Durham, Eddie Futch and Georgie Benton.. Futch really was a very young man back then, i think he made himself seem more involved than he was.. Butch had a lot more involvement with the Spinks brothers and Vaughn Bean..........

 

Can I find this online to watch it again?

 

Excellent documentary it’s a shame Frazier has so much hate still for Ali but it is understandable, for you to help the guy with money and to get his licence back and then he consistently insults you. Pacheco is a wanker.

 

Pacheco came across as a right ****.

Anyone know if Marvis's eyes looked like that before Holmes and Tyson got to him?

 

Marvis has allways had a slight cast in one eye,a limited fighter but a brave lad who was rushed by his Dad .

 

Very true that.

I thought he came over very well, in fact all the parties on Joes side did.

Loved George Benton:good

 

George Benton has always been one of my favorites , as a trainer with Holyfield and working with the Duvas, he is a living legend, a great fighter in his time too, Philly fighters always get my greatest respect.........

 

Yes, too bad they didn't mention Benton being a pretty accomplished fighter and trainer himself. They introduced him asif he was some unknown person just happy to be at the right place at the right time.

I've always thought Pacheco was a grade A ******* and this shows it once again. What a *****.




p.s. was i the only one to really laugh when Holmes came crashing the scene with an irrelevant bit on how Ali was overrated and all that? The man can't go 5 minutes without talking someone down or saying how under appreciated he was!

 

Great fighter Larry, but he should have a ventriloquist next to him so he could just mime,he puts his big foot in it every time.

 

He's never had a good word to say about Lewis.

 

Wait a second.You're in Holland.
Do you have More4 with yout satellite package? :blood

I remember a half hour interview the BBC did with him.It was on Hard Talk on BBC News 24.It remember it ending like this

Larry-"...and you know George Foreman isn't a nice guy."
Interviewer-"Thankyou,Larry Holmes."