British Title vs European Title.

euro better than brit hands down
much bigger pool of fighters and better rankin
mcintosh got his chance and took it fair play to him

 

The European doesn't have any credibility any more.

There's constant vacating of titles, crap fighters being accepted for voluntary defences and so on.

Plus I don't recognise the EU, so it's the British hands down.

For the life of me I fail to understand why someone would vacate the British to fight for it.

 

Try money, exposure, kudos and a better world ranking!

And you say the Irish are biased! sheesh!

 

Surely there's nothing bigger than being your national champion?

Especially in boxing given that a world title means about as much as a guarantee on a stolen car, given that they're everywhere.

The European is the same, with EBU-EU and EBU-EE, whatever the hell they are.

Lots of fighters don't even bother with the European anymore, instead preferring the inter-alphabetty route.

At least with national championships you know that everyone wants to win one as it's something they can remember for the rest of their days.

Much better than winning a vacant European vs some cherry picked clown - as both Barker and Macklin (to a lesser degree) have done.

 

There's less monkeying about with the British belt - if you win it you probably are the best in the country at that weight.
Of course I'm British so maybe I'm biased

 

A series of really dumb comments there to be honest.

"Surely there's nothing bigger than being your national champion?"

Of course there is something better than being national champion - being European or World champion!

"Especially in boxing given that a world title means about as much as a guarantee on a stolen car, given that they're everywhere.

The European is the same, with EBU-EU and EBU-EE, whatever the hell they are."

Weak point. The EE and EU are not supposed to substitute for the EBU they are stepping stones to it - especially for countries that have weak domestic scene.

Its a bit like saying the British title means less because you can be the Midland or Southern Area champion.

"Much better than winning a vacant European vs some cherry picked clown - as both Barker and Macklin (to a lesser degree) have done"

Yeah Varon was worse than Danny Bulter!

:nut

 

Is Chisora better than Haye ?
Is Norton better than Afolabi ?
Will the winner of Bellew-McKenzie 2 be better than Cleverly ?
Is James Degale better than Carl Froch ?
Is Darren Barker better than Matthew Macklin ?
Is Sam Webb better than Ryan Rhodes ?
Will the winner of O'Donnell vs Watson be better than Brook ?
Is Daws better than Khan ?
Will the winner of Watson vs Crolla be better than Murray ?
Will the winner of Sykes vs Johanneson be better than Burns ?
Is Simpson better than Smith ?
Is Booth better than Munroe ?
Is Hall better than McDonnell ?
Is Haskins better than Conlon ?
Is Paul Edwards better than Bayaar ?

There's 15 questions there, my guess is that people will say no to the vast majority of them. Some are close and debatable(Barker-Macklin, Smith-Simpson). But most of them the answer is very obvious.

The British champion is very rarely the best British fighter at that weight.
While I would understand if people were to say the British title means more to them than the European. In the overall scheme of things to anyone not from Britain, the European title is more prestigious, generally has a better quality champion and whoever holds the belt will receive bigger pay days and better World rankings. To anyone non British it is a much better belt.

With that said, the British title is very aesthetically pleasing, it is one of the nicest looking belts. It has a very good history, and although like in any other part of boxing there are occasional mismatches it has more 50/50 fights and good quality scraps than most other title fights of one degree or another. People's national title will always mean more towards them. I'd much prefer to have an Irish title than to have a British one, despite the fact that in the eyes of anyone not Irish they would see the British title as a more prestigious belt.

With that said unlike the Brits, I'd prefer a European title over an Irish one, and I'd prefer a World belt(even in today's boxing climate) over that. To be honest I think if some of the posters who've said otherwise were actual professional fighters, they'd probably look at things differently.

 

There's allot of emotion and national importance still, when it comes to the British Title.

I can't remember the last time i saw, a poor British Title fight.

Maybe Quigley vs Paul Smith......was the poorest.

But still for me as a scouser, there was alot of emotion and tension during the fight.

It was only a **** fight, due to both of them being abit **** on the night.

 

:roflatsch

 

I'd have to say that the European title is better but in fairness to the Brits the British title is probably the most prestigous and best domestic title in Europe

 

Have to agree with most of this. There are poor defences of every title, be that world, european or british, where fighters get an opportunity they scarcely deserve. The British title rightly is regarded highly and we are seeing better fights for it at most weights all the time but the european is bigger

 

can't beleive I am doing this but have to agree with the Irish here lol. Beeston your simply talking **** (clap clap for when you say rich from you)

First can i clear up you do realise Britain is part of Europe?? That means every British fighter can fight for the European title along with those from Ireland, France, Italy, Germany etc.

The European is better than the British for severall simple reasons.

1) You have a larger talent pool figthing for it
2) Fighters gain more recognition and a higher ranking
3) The fighters purse will be higher as TV pay more and attendences are higher for European title fights.

In terms of fighting for vacant belts...6 of the current British champions won there titles in vacant title fights, and theres 3 bouts in the next 2 weeks for vacant British titles. So by the end of this month 9 of the 15 British Champions will have won there belts in vacant fights not beating the champion.

You mention the EBU-EE and EBU-EU....nobody cares about them, there not seen as the European champion by anyone including the EBU. The EBU European title is the true European title everybody knows that. In at least 12 of the 15 divisions you would tip the European champion to beat the British.

While it is true that the European title has been devalued in recent years but so has the British title. to say that a fighter would rather be national champion than champion of his continent is bizarre. Ask Spencer Oliver, Naseem Hammed, David Haye how proud they were to be European champions? All world class fighters that never won the British titles.

When was the last fighter vacate the European to fight for a British title?

 

the British title for me - the oldest and most beautiful belt in boxing.

plus it would fetch a few bob at auction if you were wanted to sell it!