Bro-Lite

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by scartissue, Nov 3, 2023.


  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was watching a documentary the other day on Bobby Charlton - made after he recently passed - and I was dwelling on the fact that there was 2 world class brothers in Bobby and Jack and the family lineage which would produce that from the same household. In boxing we had the same. An innate pedigree - or maybe just world class training - produced the Canizales brothers, the Currys, the Finnegans, the Sandovals, et al. But what about those siblings who didn't make it? Man, that had to have been rough seeing your bro take off while you were treading water looking at a career as a journeyman or a clubfighter.

    Offhand, I was thinking of...

    Muhammad and Rahman Ali
    Henry and Jim Cooper
    Manny and Bobby Pacquiao
    Ben and Ernie Villaflor

    How many more can you guys think of?
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Meldrick and Myron Taylor. In truth Myron wasn’t THAT bad but Meldrick was quite a bit more successful
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True. He did fight for a world title which should probably exclude him from a list of journeyman brothers, but Myron certainly lacked the resiliency one would need to make it to the top.
     
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  4. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    James J. Jeffries and his brother Jack Jeffries.
    Floyd Patterson and Ray Patterson.
     
  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good ones. I also just thought of Jerry and Mike Quarry's brother Bobby and Gene and Don Fullmer's brother Jay.
     
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  6. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hagler's brother robbie Simms had a good career with wins against Duran an Barkley an maybe there were even thoughts of him at one point taking over from Hagler when he retired but couldn't step up when his chance came an lost both times he fought for the title an then kinda faded away
     
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jack, this is a bit of a stretch. It's hard to place someone in this category who fought for the world title twice. And besides beating Duran and a young Barkley, as you mentioned, Sims also beat Tony Chiaverini, Doug DeWitt, John Collins and drew with Murray Sutherland. So Sims was world class. I was thinking something more in the lines of the Zivic brothers. Eddie, Pete and Jack simply had journeyman careers in comparison to Fritzie, although Pete and Jack were fine amateurs. But you're on the right track, Jack, so hit me again.
     
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  8. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah well I did say he had a good career but still compared to what Hagler who you could make a case for as being the greatest middleweight ever, Sims career pales in comparison. Maybe no clubfighter but the fact that this is the first time that anyone here has mentioned his name for maybe years shows that there is a huge gap in talent an accomplishments between the brothers.
     
  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A few world champs, who had brothers with less illustrious careers:

    Billy Conn and Jackie
    Jake LaMotta and Joey (who actually had a pretty decent career himself)
    Champs Abe and Monte Attell and their less successful brother Caesar
    Terry McGovern and Hugh, Phil
    Pete Latzo and Steve, Joe
    Tommy Loughran and Charley
    Jimmy McLarnin and Sammy
    Kid Lavigne and Billy
    Ad Wolgast and Johnny, Al
    Jack O'Brien and Young Jack O'Brien
    Mike Weaver and his triplet brothers Troy, Lloyd and Floyd
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is exactly what I was talking about. The brother that just couldn't make it up that next rung into contendership. I also thought of...

    Carmen and Joey Basilio
    Sugar Ray and Roger Leonard
    Randy and Dick's brother Jackie Turpin
    Larry and Mark Holmes
     
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  11. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    There were all time lists that rated Jack Zivic- was he the lightweight?- pretty highly into the 1960s.
     
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know. Boxrec has his record as 40-28-4. I scoured his record and his greatest wins in 72 fights was a win over Lew Tendler and Tommy Milligan. And they were good wins, but then he lost to both in rematches and that seemed to be about it for him. He fought a number more of world class fighters but lost. Perhaps he was being touted as a hot prospect at one time. I could see that, but nothing beyond gate-keeping.
     
  13. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    Jack and Bernie Dempsey.
     
  14. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Corrie “The Sniper” Sanders and his twin brother Corey “T-Rex” Sanders.

    People had trouble telling these heavyweight clones apart.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    The same could be said of Hagler and Robbie Sims.
     
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