Brock Lesnar v. Muhamed Ali who wins?

:rofl I got Hulk by brutal KO in this one as Vlad has a Glass Thumbnail...right, Rico?...Rico?

 

What are they fighting in boxing or WWF!??

 

Come on guys,when their boxing careers were going down the pan neither Ali nor Tyson chose not to prostitute themselves for the WWE freak show-or rather the WWF as it was then called.Ali also went 12 rounds,in a pathetic exhibition with the very scared pro-wrestler Antonio Inoki.The blood clots in legs he got from Inoki's kicks hastened his declined as a fighter.

Brock has a good amateur wrestling background.So,at the very least,he has solid credentials as a competitive athlete.

Personally,I would pick the bigger punchers such as the Foremans,the Listons and the Tyson to do better in MMA. A low centre of gravity would really help here.The likes of an Ali or Holmes could offer mobility and put a MMA practioner off-balance when he tried to strike him,but a grappler with the size and ability to take a moderate shot could conceivably close the distance.

 

Yes it was 15 rounds.In fairness to Ali ,Inoki was lying on his back for most of the bout.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozRTSSaP6p4

 

Because Ali's people set it up that way. Per Dave Meltzer (he's covered pro wrestling in an industry newsletter since the early 1980s and now covers MMA as well):

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=dm-boxers032608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Boxer vs. Wrestler. Andre the Giant was asked this and said the wrestler wins, and I posted why in a youtube video a few posts up where he shows exactly why. The boxer only knows how to punch, that's it. He can't do anything else.

 

I've read about the Andre stuff many times before.I know what the likely outcome is between a great wrestler and a great boxer.(BTW I don't consider Andre to be a great wrestler even though in his peak,if you could call someone a freak of nature,that would be him) My understanding is that the "fight" between Ali and Inoki was going to be a work.At the last moment it was changed into a real life with all the stipulations,as per Tomas Hauser in his biography of Ali.My understanding,though,was that Inoki couldn't use his wrestling and had to just rely on his strikes.He was frightened about getting punched by Ali and so lay on his back.Still, it was a very bad idea and a pathetic exhibition from both men.

I'm saying this even though I've never seen the full fight.I've only seen some photos and clips and read the ringside reports.I don't know whether I want to spend approximately 50 minutes of my life,that I would never get back,watching that.

 

didnt you hear my friend ali retired over 20 years ago.Dana White would have to offer silly money to stage this fight

 

Come on....that was a work. It's not something really serious.
A boxer defeats a wrestler more times than not,though.

 

In what ? a boxing match ? For sure.

 

Sorry about that! Typo....:nut

 

It is 100 times easier to get your hands on someone to take them down, than it is to land a knockout punch before they get their hands on you. It is also 100 times easier to learn how to keep your guard up and fire off a jab to close the gap, than it is to learn how to defend a takedown from a top wrestler.

Boxers aren't even close to being the best strikers, let alone be very effective MMA fighters. It's entirely too limited, and entirely too dependant on the fight taking place under boxing's strict rules. Unless you have takedown defense on the level of a World Class wrestler... you can't bounce around and box in an MMA match. A boxing stance makes you the easiest takedown bait possible.

An MMA artist is going to beat a boxer in an MMA fight... it's as simple as that. A great Muay Thai fighter would even destroy a boxer on their feet in an MMA fight. A world class boxer WILL beat them all in a boxing match.

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I was writing specifically about the Wepner-Andre match.
BTW it's not particularly obvious in a kickboxing environment how the likes of a peak Tyson,Foreman,Lewis or Liston say would have done and ,NO, old men such as light-punching Francois Botha or hepatitis ravaged Ray Mercer do not count.

 

I was writing specifically about the Wepner-Andre match.
BTW it's not particularly obvious in a kickboxing environment how the likes of a peak Tyson,Foreman,Lewis or Liston say would have done and ,NO, old men such as light-punching Francois Botha or hepatitis ravaged Ray Mercer do not count.

BTW what are you trying to prove with the youtube fight you just posted?

 

It depends on the sport!

All Ali could realy do is punch [albeit it very, very, well]. In mma punching is the dominant striking skill set, but it's still only a small fraction of the overall mma game. I think there is a chance that Ali could catch brock in the initial free moving stage, but an educated wrestler like brock, would play to his strength's and rush in for the shoot and take ali down.

Although ali is very strong, brock lesner would be far stronger with an obviously superior grappling game - and in that range Ali would sink. Once on the ground Brock would ground - and - pound, untill the ref stoped it. I suspect the fight wouldn't last one round.

In boxing however Brock might last a few round's but that's it.....