Brock Lesnar was 100% going into UFC 141, Overeem was a better fighter

This comment is beneath you Stoo.

Diverticulitis is hardly a 'bardy tum tum' as you well know. And those two guys he failed to outwrestle, one was a former NCAA Division II champion and the other a top contender in one of the strongest fields in NCAA Division I history. Plus both matches were after the initial battle with the disease.

I don't see why this is becoming so controversial. Within the space of two years a fighter whose prime attribute was his physical strength lost a serious amount of weight due to an inability eat. Twice he was put onto a liquid diet - once to avoid a surgery and once to recover from it. Never mind the fact that an inexperienced fighter lost at least a year of training - training that could have made a real difference in addressing the shortcomings in his game. When everyone is so quick to accept that Fedor is shot because he's bored with fighting the attempts by people on this thread to play down what Brock had to go through is downright pathetic.

 

What I take exception to is what people claim Brock was BEFORE he had Diverticulitis. I agree it wouldn't have helped his career but it is not the only reason he went out like he did. In fact it is quite a marginal factor, the main one being that other from hammer fists he really had no one skill set that was remotley world class coupled with the heart of the tinman. And don't say 'he showed heart coming back from his illness' All he showed was an aptutude to bull**** the fans in order to pick up another paycheck.

 

**** Brock, he had no problem taunting a semi-concious Mir or mocking Herring who had a broken orbital during his post fight interviews. The fact that they both showed x10 the amount of heart in those defeats than Brock did in his is a delicious irony

What goes around comes around

 

Errr, that's not really the point of the thread though, is it?

The op declared that Lesnar 'was 100% going into UFC 141'.
That's clearly bollocks. Whether or not you like the man of feel any sympathy towards him is not the issue.

 

True. Thread title should have been 'Reem V Lesnar result would have been exactly the same even if Brock was 100% going into 141'

 

And they had no problem mocking him as a fake pro-wrestler who didn't belong in the Octagon.

What goes around comes around.

 

:good

 

I wouldnt wish that illness on anyone, including Lesnar, and Ive not made the arguement he was fully fit :huh

My bardy tum tum comment was directed at the attitude of a certain poster in this thread who is quick to take a massive dump on anyone not named Sonnen, Lesnar or Jones

 

Yeah, proved them wrong in the long run didnt he

 

My bad. I thought your comment intimated that you agreed with the op.

 

A 5-3 record when six of your fights have been either for a world title or against a former world champion is nothing to sneeze at and certainly makes you worthy of being in the Octagon. To me he's an example of unfulfilled potential - if he had been a fighter in the early noughties he could have been the greatest thing ever. If the diverticulitis had never intervened perhaps he could have continued to develop and improve (although I couldn't see him ever beating Velasquez - horrible stylistic matchup).

 

I trolled Monaro for one post that was two sentences long, you ****ing moron. It was never addressed to you and it was an obvious troll, and you had to jump at it and respond like it was a serious and detailed analysis of Fedor's legacy in the sport. atsch

And for the record, Lesnar's not in my top 5 favourite fighters, and never was. I found him one of the most interesting fighters, but I like Machida, GSP, Sonnen, Jones, Penn, Hughes, Rashad and Bisping more than Lesnar, to name a few. But none of those guys generate as much buzz or get the amount of infantile two-faced insults that Lesnar does, so there is not as much to comment on. None of them make as much noise in MMA as Lesnar did. :-(

:hat

 

He would have done very well if he'd started at a young age, but it is what it is

He benefited from some good stylistic match ups, and that's not a criticism because I cant name one fighter who hasnt done likewise. But Frank Mir, for example, came back from an accident where it was feared he would never fight again as his knee was blown out. He suffered some awful defeats at the hands of guys like Cruz and Vera, and was fed to Brock when people thought he was done. But he didnt retire. He kept trying to improve, he kept trying to prove himself and most importantly improve his skill set, and now has a better string of victories post accident than he did before it

Frank Mir belongs in the Cage, evidence shows it was something Brock tried after his NFL career stalled. Now he's off back to Wrestlemania after his MMA career stalled

It is what it is

 

Cool

 

That ignores that Frank was almost ten years younger when he had the motorcycle accident than Brock is now. At lost easier to bounce back from something when you're that age. Brock is at an age now that even if he had been healthy his career would probably be winding down.

Now I agree there's a limit to the extent that Brock is motivated by a desire to compete as opposed to money. Doesn't make him any less of a fighter though. There's a reason its called prizefighting.