Brock Lesnar with knees and headbutts allowed

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Polymath, Nov 11, 2009.


  1. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    If Brocks aloud a rule change then Fedor can get one too.

    Fedor with no cut stoppages would beat him.
     
  2. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think that would really chang much, fights are stopped from cuts because they inhibit fighting ability; not saying I think Brock would become the favorite, but a no cut stoppages rule would only mildly help Fedor, a headbutt rule would help Lesnar more.
     
  3. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    So wrestling allows half nelsons to be used to hold and hit? Wasn't aware of that.

    Speaking of Greg Nelson - this wouldn't be the same Greg Nelson that trained JKD at Inosanto's Academy? No doubt - where he learned a proper cross training regimen that he later translated to training for MMA?

    http://inosanto.com/?p=260

    "After watching Steve perform some swashbuckling techniques in the kitchen, he approached him and asked where he learned his moves. Steve was reluctant to tell Greg at first, but eventually relented and brought him to Guro/Khru Rick Faye’s garage. From that point on, he was hooked and began his training in Kali, Jun Fan and Muay Thai."


    You know your martial arts and train extensively so I don't mean to disrespect you at all but it is my personal philosophy that close-mindedness is a dangerous attitude for a martial artist to have, Beebs. I've always tried to learn from everyone from every style - any time possible. Turning a blind eye to knowledge is a sure fire way to limit oneself to one's true potential.
     
  4. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you really belive he needed somebody to point out that he could go ahead and punch an opponent he had totally controlled. Really? Do you think he would have learned 1/10 the wrestling ability in a JKD school to even be in that position in the first place?. Do you think the guy he practiced that on was a JKD or do you think it was BJJ world champ Comprido? What exactly do you think JKD had at all to do with that whole situation? He knew the takedown from wrestling, same for the nelson, he learned how to use it against a guy with submission skills from a BJJ guy, and he knew to punch him because he is an ill tempered 300lb monster. Bruce Lee knew none of the afformentioned arts beyond a totally green begginner. If Lee was training Lesnar his whole life he would be an absolute non factor.

    If you define JKD as simply "doing what works" then fine, but in reality it was "doing what works from a group of styles that aren't particualrly useful while ignoring or not giving enough attention to others such as wrestling or classic western boxing as tought by western boxers.

    Greg Nelson produces wrestlers with added skills, Sherk, Thompson, Lesnar; not kung-fu guys who stand southpaw, throw that straight blast thing, and generally look like Bruce Lee.

    I'm not saying guys with JKD connections haven't made an impact on MMA, but they do it nothing like Bruce Lee taught, and I swear to god if you say "well he tought them to have an open mind" as if he has a monopoly on the idea to possibly think of such a radical idea as to fighting in a way that produced the best results, my head will explode.

    Lee made a contribution by getting guys interested, and (like many others) said that one style isn't always the beat way to fight; but his actual fighting style was garbage, that's why guys with even close ties to him look totally different.

    Paulson was really the only one who looked similar, but only in striking, his grappling was what made him the great trainer he is though. That is why Josh Barnett, Paulson's star, looks not one thing like Lee. So really if what you mean by JKD influenced MMA is that he made a sidenote that "this grappling thing might help" and then some guys who were connected to him went out and learned BJJ, wrestling, Judo, Catchwrestling, or Shootwreslting, then I agree, but the credit for that should go to Gene LeBell much more.

    I overreact, I know this, I shouldn't care, but it's just so insulting to the true pioneers.
     
  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Still waiting on those 10 better fighters at the time than Mir and Randy.

    Coward

    In fact name your top 10 in all weightclasses; notice how pathetic they are without Zuffa fighters.
     
  6. sallywinder

    sallywinder Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if MMA is REAL, then headbutts should be ok.


    MMA is bull****.



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  7. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would Brock have survived the 1st round v Carwin if they were allowed?:think
     
  8. zarman

    zarman Guest

    fedor would KO lesner even if lesner was allowed to headbutt wearing a Pickelhaube
     
  9. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    i don;t even know what a pickelhaube is, but it is fun to say
     
  10. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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  11. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    fun to say and even more fun to wear