Bruno Between Louis and Marciano?

Weight is not an unqualified merit in itself.

Spinks could absolutely have made super middleweight, on the say that he beat Larry Holmes, is he had not bulked up!

 

Why are you asking me?

Ask the ambivalent Equationists, tangled in admission of weight beeing relevant and nonrelevant. The next threads you see them supporting non-altered fighters beating guys 45lb heavier until the air gets thin

Did Spinks try to gain functional weight?

Did Holyfield try to gain functional weight?

Yes

or

No

??

 

Easily becomes British champ over Savold, and becomes a good contender, probably beats out guys like Satterfield and Layne. Questionable fight with Valdes if Valdes comes in 100%.

Gets KO'd by Charles, Walcott, and Louis

Entire career gets ended by Marciano

 

Once again, through out the history of the HW division that number of 45 has been surpassed and then some. These heavyweights today could in no way shape or form make it 15 rounds in a title fight. NO WAY. They can’t even make it 6 without getting gassed. Now it’s 12 and with that you can afford to gain a few more. Guys from the past would have to bulk up if they want to compete today. That is true. Some would be fine with it others may struggle. It’s just laughable to think people can’t gain 15-20 pounds of muscle easy with modern work outs and still be just as affective.

 

Thanks. We´ve come a step closer that way ("weight classes have a meaning").

"It’s just laughable to think people can’t gain 15-20 pounds of muscle easy with modern work outs and still be just as affective."

Of course nobody wants to discuss fantasy fights by adjusting a fighter with extra fantasy parameters, nobody can even evaluate by watching (or even know these fighters attributes that are talked about).
When discussing fantasy fights is obsolete in therms of testability, changing fighters attributes (arbitrary) is highly absurd.

 

Only thing ill add to this:

Fighters are able to put on more muscle mass while staying lean because of PEDs. Weight is not everything, and gives diminishing returns the higher you go. This is what allows Deontay Wilder to hit harder than Joshua, Fury and Valuev.

Also how do you explain all of the fatasses that get busted with PEDs nowadays (Povetkin, Ortiz, Stiverne, Whyte?)

We're in a weak era, just watching these heavyweights flop around is proof. Dundee himself said that the SHW was a phase that'd go away.

 

If you’re going to play that game the other way can be played. Imagine these guys 50 years ago with no weight training and PEDs lmao. None of these clowns today would be in the top ten with the exception of Wilder....he’s a bad man. But even he would be a different fighter and weigh considerably less. Better to discuss styles and eras to get a better parameter considering a “fantasy” fight would have time to train and study like any fighter and their camp.

 

I think he would beat the version of Louis that Rocky fought,beat Lastarza and Layne,possibly Valdes,and lose to Walcott and Charles

 

We're talking about the weakest post Dempsey era of the division. Frank holds the roost until Liston knocks him off it.

 

You could make a case that Frank's era was weaker.

Was he really unlucky to share an era with such giants as Bonecrusher Smith, and a pot smoking Tim Witherspoon?

 

No... YOU could be so shameless as to make that case. I can make a case for a lot but not that.

Bruno was yoked.

 

OK, it comes down to 50s, vs 80s minus Holmes.

Let the worst era lose!

 

Tony Tubbs, a 6 foot 3, 230 pound Adonis with the speed of Mercury would be legend if he were around in the 1950's. Mike Dokes, same, if we are to recognize the cocaine trade was significantly smaller then. Tony Tucker? Giant among that era. Coetzee would clean out most of that cast of oldies and moldies... and then upon the horizon in 1986 arrives a Feral God from Brownsville with these words on his lisp... I am death, the mighty destroyer of the world, here to destroy.

 

In the late 80s you have Tyson and Holyfield. The 80s don't measure up to the 90s but I think they could hold their own against or better any prior era. They also have the advantage of PEDs

 

Louis would mechanically destroy him and then Marciano would ruin him.
The same exact people who think of ACDC tracks when they look at him would be calling him an unrefined oaf bum with a marketable physique who would prove nothing of neither of their chances against modern fighters. But yet, he would be the same exact guy.