Just checking up on the scores for this WBA title fight in 1986, which ended TKO11 to Witherspoon. Carlos Sucre had it 97-94...6 to Witherspoon, 3 to Bruno, 1 drawn. Okay, fair enough. Marcos A. Torres had it 98-96...4 to Witherspoon, 2 to Bruno, 4 drawn. 4 drawn? Get off the damn fence, man. Yet worse...Takeshi Shimakawa had it 99-96...4 to Witherspoon, 1 to Bruno, 5 drawn. What kind of excuse is there for such godawful lazy judging like that? It was competative throughout but 4 or 5 drawn rounds is damn ridiculous. That's up there with the guy that had 5 drawn rounds before the stoppage in Rahman-Tua I. I can understand one or two but if you're just giving drawn round after drawn round, seemingly rather than actually thinking about who deserved it more, then doing something other than judging like flower arranging instead seems an option. Neither Bruno-Witherspoon or Rahman-Tua I were all that difficult fights to score for.
Chit happens.... Spoon was porky at 234 pounds against a chisled Bruno in 1986, but I knew / figured that Spoon would prevail... Jesus, he really KTFO of Bruno in the later rds over in England.... Bruno was crushed by a series of right hands in the corner... Bruno was out, and needed to be dragged back to his corner..... Spoon was sloppy, but effective... Cheers... MR.BILL
I watched this fight a while back. Not a bad fight. Bruno was doing very well until he ran out of gas and Witherspoon capatalized. So what guy are you in the avatar? The George Foreman lookalike?
I'm not as opposed to drawn rounds as most others are. I'd rather see a drawn round than an incorrectly judged round.
Drawn rounds are ok if they're not simply a result of indecisiveness / incompetence. You could make a case for the first round of Hagler Duran being a draw, but no more than that. 6 rounds drawn, that's a joke.
This was Torres' first fight after his disgraceful card for Gomez-Lockridge and his ensuing ban. Obviously Don welcomed him back with open arms. Just two rounds for Bruno, ridiculous. :huh
A Swiss judge in the Carmelo Bossi-Jose Hernandez world light middleweight fight in 1971 scored it 150-150. Every round even. He later died from severing splinters of the arse following this permanent fence-sitting. :hey
I was at this fight, great atmosphere, great fight, Bruno gave it his all, and youv'e got judges who can't be arsed scoring the fight. Wrong! Matter of interest; a young Paul Hodkinson made his debut on this bill.
I've got no problems with drawn rounds, though I extremely rarely only score them myself. But when you've got a judge scoring 5 drawn rounds out of 10 completed, that's just lazy and borderline incompetant. Didn't one of the judges in Holyfield-Tyson I hand out 5 or 6 drawn rounds or something too?
I think the big problem is that the scoring system isn't used properly. It should be 10-9 for a close round 10-8 for a clear round 10 -7 for a dominant round when someone is in trouble. And so on. In other words the points should be used, and while we're at it go back to the 5 point must while system. I don't think we need more than 5 points to seperate 2 fighters. I don't agree that a KD is an automatic losing round especially a 2 point penalty. A fighter can be Knocked down in a round, hurt even and still come back to win the round even if he's done all the good work at the beginning of the round it should be taken into consideration. Any thoughts?
I have judged a few fights, and i try very hard to steer clear of drawing rounds, and if you watch very intensely and impartially , its easy to score rounds either way and only in very extreme cases giving drawn rounds... God bless.. Incidentally i had Bruno ahead at the time, i thought he was busier in the early rounds, but Tim was wearing the lactic acid filled monster down as rounds ticked by, He out muscled himself.. I remember the end coming out of nothing , they were both in the centre looking composed when they both let right hands go.. Tims got through first and Frank started to reel with his mouth wide open, he stumbled back and Tim just bowled over two or 3 heavy bombing right over arm punches (one as Frank was all but down or sat on the bottom rope) Frank actually wasn't down, it was for that reason that the referee allowed Tim to carry on punching, he was sat on the bottom rope in the corner........