Bruno-Witherspoon judges - what the hell?

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Why should the 'perceived premier fighter' have the benefit of the doubt? Peceived by, what, most magazine covers? What about Benn-Eubnak rematch for example?
     
  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes magazine space would be one way of identifying who was the premier/premium fighter. It is a personal perception thing, much like judging itself.

    As for your example; IMO Eubank was the premier fighting going in as Benn was looking for redemption after the first fight.
     
  3. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    So Eubank deserved the nod then?
     
  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I went there, but had a nose bleed place though, but figured Benn had won easy (9-3 if memory serves me right); but watching the replay on TV I remember scoring it 6-6.
     
  5. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    I went too and I thought Benn won easy and, i agree, on replay it was really close.


    But, you scoring a draw? I thought you didn't sit on the fence? :p
     
  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL..... You got me!
     
  7. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    But the Benn-Eubank fight is why I always like to listen to the consensus before spouting out about 'robberies'.
     
  8. TBooze

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    I rarely (of course there are some) think boxing has robberies, normally a robbery to 95% of the fancy, is a fairly close fight where the consensus bias someone....
     
  9. DamonD

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    You talking about Benn-Eubank II?

    I watched it live at the time, never seen it since. I actually thought the draw was correct...but bear in mind, while Benn was awesome, I liked Eubank even more so maybe there was a little bias there.

    If it wasn't a draw, I don't think I could've given it to Eubank. Bit too much posing, from Benn at times too (in mocking Eubank) but mostly Eubank...but then that was quite common for him post-Watson II.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    I dont have a problem with drawn rounds at all.

    If you score a round for fighter A, but you concede that the round was close and that giving it to fighter B would not have been totally out of order, then I dont see the problem with accepting that marking the round even is defensible too.

    Therefore, in a fight where MANY of the rounds are close could-go-either-way type rounds, I dont see the problem if a judge comes up with scoring MANY rounds even. I just dont see the problem.

    What's the worse that can happen ? A fight ends up a DRAW or VERY CLOSE on a scorecard - what's wrong with that ?
    I always thought maybe more fights should be called draws. I dont see a problem. I dont get any thrill out of controversial split-decisions and constant arguments about scoring that are so commonplace in this game. In a "could-go-either-way" type fight I believe a draw is the fairest result". Likewise, in a could-have-gone-the-other-way round I think an even score is fair.

    A judge's job is to judge the round. A judge who scores 6 out of 12 round even simply judged that neither fighter established an advantage over the other in those rounds - which is actually MORE LOGICAL than saying "I judged Bruno to have gained the advantage in that round, BUT I can see how Witherspoon might have gained the advantage too. But shame on you for scoring it even" or , "Yeah, I can understand you giving those three or four rounds to the other fighter, but I cannot understand how the other judge has ALL those same rounds even " !

    I dont think a judge's job is to find a winner at any cost, so that his "judge's eye" has to be so fine-tuned as to make the subtleties of his decision almost arbitrary.

    That's just my take though. I realize some of you have another perspective, and even rounds just totally **** you off. :lol:
     
  11. My dinner with Conteh

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    Do you think Whitaker-Ramirez was a robbery?
     
  12. Holmes' Jab

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    I was never fussed on Eubank personally (despite his footballing allegences) and rooted for Benn as he was one of my fave fighters back then. I don't think rematch was a 'robbery' and thought Benn won, I've scored it a few times since (in Benn's favour by about two rounds).
     
  13. Holmes' Jab

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    Daylight. So was his draw against Chavez. :-(
     
  14. Holmes' Jab

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    On the "even rounds" debate, I don't award too many of 'em whilst scoring fights. If the general demographic and action of a round has been very, very close to call I'd usually award the round to the fighter I percieve to be moreso the agressor, so long as it's effective.
     
  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I score a bit different; i'd call such a round a draw.

    The reason is i think it's not fair to give one fighter a 10 9 round based on a VERY slight advantage (if any), while he may lose an other round one-sided or clearly, but still have the same 10 9 score. When neither has a clear edge, i don't think it's fair to look for reasons to score it for one or an other.