Bruns broke Johnson's ribs and was ill when they meet? This book says so

Haha my backs just fine ta :good

Yeah but your sister didn't, johnson did.

 

Burns was a fine fighter but not a great heavyweight.


Despite the author stating on page 8 that ,"Burns fought gigantic men who outweighed him by up to 60lbs"
Most of his opponents were really lhvy's / cruisers at best

Burns never conceded more than 34lbs and that only once apart from this ,the most he conceded was 27lbs [ Moir] and 21lbs ,[Pelkey]both were second raters.

Burns also ,[as far as we can establish,] never fought a man over 6' 1.5"
Lang 186lbs 6'1"
Squires 180/184lbs 5'10"
O Brien 167lbs 5' 10.5"
Roche 180lbs 5' 9"
Flynn 169lbs 5'9"
Palmer 168lbs 5'10"
Burns was the heavier man in 6 of his title defences


Hart was the best of the big men he defeated [195lbs 5'11.5"]

ps. Has your sister got a manager?

 

Yet the author, a Canadian and professed sports writer, was unaware Burns had been heavyweight champion ,or whom he lost it to .:huh

 

Could be both to be fair

 

I agree. Burns was probably a hell of a fighter, for his weight and his time. But he was a light light heavyweight when he was in shape, and a real heavyweight doesn't get much credit for beating a light light heavyweight. That's all I'm saying.

LOL, no she never had a manager and she's a bit past her prime. But she was knock down, drag out gorgeous in her time and could have done anything she wanted to Mr. Burns, guaranteed.

 

And I'm a Canadian, well a Canadian-American dual citizen, so I'm proud of Burns. He was a great fighter. Just not a heavyweight, so his scalp doesn't do much for Johnson's resume IMO.

 

The first link does not say Smith was Jewish, it just says he fought Burns. I was married to a Jewish girl for 25 years , I never came across any Jew nicknamed Jewey,and if one was ever referred to as such I am pretty sure the reaction would not be favourable.
Jewey is an old cockney term long since fallen into disuse, it is a derivative of Joey which was Smith's real name.
Smith's religion was Church Of England.

The author ,like you usually do ,added 2 and 2 together and made 5.
By the way, the link you gave spelt Smith's name wrong ,it is Jewey ,not Jewy.
Not a good sign for their authenticity.

Burns scaled only 1.5 lbs less than he did when he defended against Flynn. Get over it.!
When can we expect the primary sources that show Burns was ill and had Jaundice?:hey

 

The author you have been boosting , states Burns was not properly trained for the third Squires fight,and quotes the London Free Press who said Burns was poorly conditioned for the fight, for which he scaled 181lbs . page 146 .This confirms my thoughts that he did not train as hard for Squires as he did for Johnson ,and explains why he came in lighter for his last defence.

Burns was overweight when he was above 175lbs,and that is not just me talking it is your author.

The author also states ,page 146 that Burns scored 28 kos in his first 48 fights ,it was actually 26.

Another mistake/error.

You haven't won a round yet.atsch

 

I totally agree , see my posts below ,this only bears out what I have said. Burns was trained to within an inch of his life for the Johnson fight. I am a fan of Burns, on another thread I stated he would get my money if he had fought Ketchel but Johnson was a bridge too far.

 

Well i'm english and am proud of neither.

The thing is, he was a heavyweight. Infact the heavyweight champion. The man johnson had to beat to prove himself .

It validates his resume completely.

I do think beating hart would have done more as well because then he's beaten the best white and black contenders of his time.

I'm gonna eventually do some severe indepth research into the hart-johnson fight because to me, like liston v ali 2, the loss seems out of character.

 

I look forward to the results.:good

 

I'm a teacher so I don't have much free time but scratching the surface I found a post fight report that I've posted. I'm gonna look much deeper over the coming weeks however.

 

I haven't found an error or two, I have found tons.
McIntosh had never refereed a fight before WRONG
Johnson's first fight was against Klondike WRONG
Johnson's first fight was in 1897 WRONG
Johnson ,and Kondike drew over 7 rds WRONG
Burns had 28 kos in his first 48 fights WRONG
Beckett was 6' 2" WRONG
Beckett was 220lbs WRONG
Beckett was 13 years younger than Burns WRONG
Felix was an East Indian WRONG
Smith was Jewish WRONG
Squires scored 23kos WRONG
Squires was undefeated when he fought Burns WRONG
Burns had 62 fights WRONG
Burns fought men 60lbs heavier WRONG

Just a few examples from the couple of pages shown on the link, how many more errors are in the complete "book"?atsch

How many times must I repeat?
Burns scaled only 1.5lbs less for his fight with Johnson than he did for his defence against Flynn.

Burns scaled only 5.5lbs less than he did under 3 months previously, when he defended against Bill Lang .

Johnson is not lying because he NEVER SAID HE SUSTAINED CRACKED RIBS ,so it is not TURE

THE ONUS IS ON YOU TO PROVE THESE OUTLANDISH CLAIMS , NOT THE REST OF US WHO DO NOT BELIEVE THEM!

As everyone else is asking you.I again ask

PLEASE PRODUCE A PRIMARY SOURCE THAT PROVES BURNS WAS ILL FOR THE FIGHT

PLEASE PRODUCE A PRIMARY SOURCE THAT SHOWS BURNS ASKED FOR A POSTPONEMENT OF THE FIGHT.

ps .There are so many mistakes in this book ,I am beginning to believe you may have written it.:rofl