Buchanan vs Whitaker

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  1. Sayers

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    No doubt this fight would be a beautiful one to watch, but who would be the winner? :bbb
     
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  2. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    whitaker, 10-5
     
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  3. billy boy balbo

    billy boy balbo New Member Full Member

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    the tartan legend :p
     
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  4. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't see past Whitaker here, he just has Buchanan outgunned in pretty much every area, far better defense, better on the inside, similar level of jab. I just don't see where Buchanan has any real advantage here
     
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  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Size and reach?
     
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  6. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I say them as negligible, boxrec has their being an 1'' difference in reach and 1.5'' in height, not enough of an advantage to overcome the rest of the disadvantages i see ken having.
     
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  7. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree but it is an advantage :D
     
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  8. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol::lol: I can't really argue with that

    I retract my previous post, i now think whitaker has almost all of the advantages apart from reach and height. I still favour whitaker UD though :D
     
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  9. McGrain

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    I think it would be very very close. I think Whitaker should be favoured, but I don't rule out an upset here. Buchanan had an extremely cultured left hand. It's possible he was the better jabber of the two. He was also an extremely sharp puncher. A wider decision is not impossible, but I don't see any rounds that aren't very close.
     
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  10. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats a brave call.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nothing brave about perching firmly on the fence :D
     
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  12. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Splinters can kill McGrain.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    De La Hoya is supposed to be this brilliant jabber, and he is to a degree, though I think he's become a wee bit overated in that department now, but he was so tentative with his jab against Whitaker. He sort of shuffled it out, and Whitaker showed him lots of nice movement from an awkward crouch and it made him more tentative, and Oscars jab was basically taken away from him. With Buchanan, that wouldn't happen, he'd probably be doing the more pronounced lateral movement, he'd be jabbing and moving, offering variety and mobility off what is a snapping punch. If he missed it would matter less, meanwhile Whitaker isn't going to be able to control their relative foot placements, and he's going to risk that little bit more when he sticks out his own jab. I see Buchanan possibly shading the battle of the jabs in this way. Where I see Whitaker edging ahead would be off his timing Buchanan's sometimes showy defensive moves with is jab and other punches, I think he would land the heavier, more eye-catching stuff, and although I think Ken is tough enough to eat those shots for 12/15 rounds, I think this is what might turn the tide in Whitaker's favour. On the other hand, if Buchanan knuckles down and fights a more disciplined fight, he losses that edge he might have in the jabbing department. So a very tough fight but one, yeah, I would bet on Whitaker to win.
     
    McGrain, Mar 4, 2010
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  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Buchanan had a great left hand but Whittaker has one of the best jabs in history and by my reckoning THE best.

    Also I like the fact you mention Buchanan was a sharp puncher as he was. His jab was snappy and his right hand had some snap in it aswell, the lead right stunned Laguna afew times.

    Very interesting post.

    I watched Buchanan vs Laguna I today and Laguna got some of his best scoring inside. Now Whittaker was pretty good at applying pressure and with his footspeed he could get inside Buchanan and let his short ripping punches go, now IMO Whittaker dominates the inside whereas the outside is quite even due to what you explain, I dont fully agree as I think Whittakers footspeed helps him out. And Laguna landed afew great right uppercuts which is a brilliant punch in Pernell's arsenal.

    I do like the way Buchanan would circle to his left and throw out afew jabs then all of a sudden circle right and throw out a lead right. I think this would be effective aginst Whittaker as it would be coming onto a bling Whittaker due to the angle of him being a southpaw. But is it enough?

    Also Whittaker could match Buchanan for woorkrate and grit. Buchanan's late round surges would be matched by Whittaker. I just dont see the upset.
     
    GPater11093, Mar 7, 2010
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  15. lora

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    C'mon now, Virgil Hill had the best jab.And Floyd.
     
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