Bunce: "Chad Dawson Is A Nobody"

Your spot on there.

People seem to be missing the point of what I think Bunce actually meant.

Bunce is not disrespecting Chad Dawson as a fighter (only that he's not really gone anywhere in the last year) - he is saying that people were wrong to slag Calzaghe off for not being interested in fighting him and is justifying his point with the fact that Dawson v Tarver will only have 2000 people watching at only $30 a ticket.

It's a fair enough point in my opinion.

Dawson is not a big draw - yet - and since Calzaghe was looking to make as much money as possible in his last fights, Dawson was not even on the radar from a financial point of view.

 

Dawson IS a good fighter but at the time of the Jones Cal fight, he had done nothing to deserve a shot at Joe or keep Joe from retiring other than being the next big name who was going to dethrone Calzaghe.

Since we had just seen the original big American name who would KTFO Joe (Pavlik) being embarrassed by his last defeated opponent, the Dawson claims carried no weight.

I think that's what Bunce was getting at but like I said, I aint defending his comments.

 

i'm not even sure its that...i think its the way bunce looks at what makes a good fighter....he reminds me of a guy i once worked for...
it was in a record shop that was owned by two guys, aiden and kevin..both had a great appriciation and encyclopeadic knowledge of the music business, but aiden would judge a bands career on the amount of money they made {ie..rem to him were a great band caused they made so much money}...whereas kevin would judge a band on their musical abilities {ie..legendary irish band horslips...not well known worldwide, but extremely talented with a cult following}...

bunce reminds me of that guy aiden...he sometimes doesnt look beyond the ability to generate money as the way to judge good boxers...
but, if i was in a bar with bunce right now i could imagine him putting up a very good argument about how 'this is the real world' and 'money talks' etc..

i like bunce's show, and i enjoy his banter and his humour...but i have to admit i did cringe a little when he said dawson doesnt deserve to be in a ring with calzaghe...
again, i hope looking at it from a non-financial point of view, that bunce does have genuine respect for dawson...i'm sure he does.

 

The difference is he says it in a totally disrespectful, mocking, provocative manner. Basically an unnecessary "i told you so", him attempting to validate stupid comments he would have made in the past.

I have no problem with Calzaghe not fighting Dawson, although Dawson would have been the most difficult fight for him stylewise he had achieved enough to call it quits whenever he wanted. The issue is with Bunce's general attitude shown in the video, and the fact that uneducated casual fans might take his word as fact, when i don't think i have ever seen an interview of his that could be considered even reasonable.

 

Well that's an ownage of large proportion.

 

Just noticed that the man himself has replied to this in another thread, so take his view on the comment:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139808

 

**** him...most fighters are "nobodies" at some point, so thats irrelevant, and besides the sport will never grow unless people give young, ready fighters the opportunity to prove themselves in the ring against the best

 

Bunce is correct, and he knows far more about the sport than people like Kellerman. There's no comparison. And I'm American.

Joe always regarded Dawson as the latest version of Lacy: Another overhyped, unproven quantity whom Joe would just expose and wipe the floor with. At the end of the day, Joe just couldn't get motivated to fight him, and has said as much.

Joe would have waxed Dawson, ate him alive with his workrate. And then all the haters would be looking for the next Lacy -- oh excuse me, the next Dawson.

What Bunce is talking about in the clip is all the people, like many in this thread, who want to talk Dawson up like he's some magical entity when the truth is no one cares about him at all. He's not a draw, and is looking to make his name off of guys past their prime. Unfortunately for him, he ran into one such supposed victim (Johnson) who gave him all he could handle and then some.

But instead of giving Johnson a rematch, or taking on guys like Diaconu or Tavoris Cloud, Dawson thinks he deserves a shot at someone like Calzaghe, which he doesn't. Like he's earned it or something.

Then along comes this weekend and the 2,000-person crowd who give a darn about Dawson fighting a shot Tarver. That puts all of Dawson's "appeal" into perspective, and Bunce wants to make sure the Chad Lads hear about it.

Dawson is nothing to Calzaghe, and Joe just doesn't give a darn about him. He would have had to have carried the promotion and would have made little money relative to other guys Joe could have fought. One guy Joe could have fought and made much more money with, Carl Froch, is another non-entity to Calzaghe. Why? Because Joe knows he would school Froch as well.

At Joe's level and stage of his career, you're either fighting guys you feel are a challenge, guys who will make you a lot of money, or both. It's all about being able to get motivated for the next fight and feeling like the guy you're getting in the ring with deserves a payday off of your name. Joe is tired of Froch's BS, same as he became with Hopkins. He could have made a lot of money off a Hopkins rematch but he decided he just didn't want to reward B-Hop with another payday, so he stepped away.

Joe respects Dawson's ability, but he knows he can beat him and he knows the fight wouldn't be big $$$.

Bunce is merely driving home the point, and I'm glad he did. The Dawson jockriders need the wake-up call. Dawson's a marketing dud, and will likely remain so as long as he keeps fighting the senior circuit guys (or at least ones who can't hang, unlike Glen Johnson).

If I remember correctly, many people liked

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. Nobody knew or cared about Margo, so why should (a much younger PBF than Joe) fight Margo?

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. Good seats still available, cheap...and will fly to Mexico to make sure I never have to fight scary Adrian Diaconu. :rofl

 

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Exactly. My only exposure to his name is on ESB. I've heard it three times in two years..when I popped into a thread about Cortez, then one about Max Kellerman, and now again about Chad Dawson (all people there's a reason for me to be familiar with as a global boxing fan). He's the Union Jack's zany controversial boxing guy, noted.

Given this context, that NOBODY who isn't exposed to the British sports media or enough of a boxing fan to troll forums and occasionally stumble upon this person's name in passing would ever have any reason to have him in their frame of reference - I revert to my rhetorical question in reply to the intimation that Chad Dawson is a nobody:

Who the **** is "Bunce"? :good

I'm familiar with the name and roughly his role in your culture; that's about it and that's all it will be unless he does something to distinguish himself in my mind or the consciousness of the global boxing public. Sorry to deflate your epic ownage, guy.

 

nah

 

We'll let the others decide the epic-ness of my ownage, sunshine.

If someone from the UK wasn't much of a boxing fan, would they know Max Kellerman?

Or Chad Dawson for that matter!

 

No, but if they were they would. That's the point.

People outside the U.S. who follow the sport know who these people are. They are known quantities, for better or worse, in the global boxing community. People outside the UK - even within the boxing community - are far less likely to know who this person is. Carl Froch? People know who he is. Enzo Calzaghe? Ditto. Steve Bunce? Eh...maybe they've heard the name, but for the most part no. Accept that and move on.

As you've illustrated, the only times I've encountered this name is when ooh-ahh controversial statements are made about known quantities in the boxing community. That's what we call "piggybacking", "shock-jockeying" or "coat tail riding", or just plain old "sensationalism" if my American vernacular confuses you. What am I missing that this individual has done to distinguish himself outside the insular bubble of British culture, on a global (at least within the boxing community) scale?

 

Bunce, who cares about him? He's a whiny punk. Calzaghe retired and doesn't have to face Dawson now so why talk down on Chad?

 

why is this relevant?

the man is paid to talk and write about boxing. if you don't like it, tough ****. don't pay attention.

 

Why is this relevant?

We're both posting on a boxing forum. If you don't like it, tough ****. don't pay attention.