Buncey digs into Khan and Warren

I never said that Manny beat the best in the division. I just think that he would beat the others. There is an argument for 3 or more being called the best. I fancy Manny over the lot at the moment.

Adios.

 

Do you believe Floyd Mayweather was the best Jnr Welter in the World in 2005?

It is the exact same situation.

Your pick of Paquiao being the best at 135 is pure speculation with no real basis in fact at all.

Casamayor or Campbell have earned the distinction for me...it's hard to separate those two but they deserve to be ranked above the rest until proven otherwise.

 

I actually fancy Juan Diaz to get himself back to the top of the lightweight division. More often than not a fighter learns more from a loss than they do from 5 wins. I do reckon the cut eye was the main cause of his defeat but he will be more determined to reclaim his place at the top of the division and with all the new top fighters that have entered the division its gonna be great watching how it all pans out. Likely candidates to come out on top are Guzman or Juan Diaz but slightly edging towards Diaz (I just can see Pac beating either of those guys)

 

Buncey, you said tonight some people dont think Pac is the best lightweight in the world never mind p4p#1, was that inspired from my last post to you. hehe

 

What a flip-flopper that man truely is. Doesn't he understand that you can still be P4P#1 without being the 'man' in any given division?

For example, Mayweather in 2005 at 140 where Ricky Hatton was the man.

The same is true of now.

The fact that this guy is viewed as an authority on the sport in Britain sickens me.

 

I think thats pretty irrelevant. Hes said that thinks that Pacman shouldnt be rated number one but in his opinion beats the other fighters at lightweight.

In 2005 PBF wasnt ranked as number one in LWW but in my opinion he was the best.

Ok you may not agree but you cannot argue peoples opinions, and if everyone shared the same one this would be a pretty rubbish message board!

 

Lets cut through the bull****.

You are not the best until proven otherwise or is being Champion, actual Champion meaningless these days?

Bunce stated that Manny Pacquiao is the best Lightweight full stop, a ludicrous statement on the basis of what he has achieved in the division. This is what I and others called him out on and I'm pleased to see he rectified his stance last night.

I made the PBF 2005 comparision because I know for a fact that in the exact same situation (that is the P4P#1 in the world moves into a division and seemingly on that basis alone becomes the divisions best according to Bunce) that he would NOT have said Mayweather was the best JNR Welter...he would have said Ricky Hatton was.

The man is a hypocrite and full of tripe in general. This is just yet more inconsistency and agenda on his part.

 

Being a champ doesnt realy mean a lot these days when you can have 4 diffrerant champs at a time! And when people vacate belts to get the big fights because the organisation theyre champion of wont sanction a fight.

Anyway my point was that many peoples OPINIONS are that Pacman is the best LW. Just because i think hes the best LW it doesnt mean he should be instantly ranked number one, he should have to prove it, youre right with that. I do still think hes the best of them though.

 

I am undecided - you could slaughter someone for doing either.

Staying in one weight division beating good opposition is fine, but staying in one for the sake of it beating chumps will lead to criticism - which for me directly resulted in Ricky Hatton stepping up in 2006.

On the flipside, stepping through weight divisions picking on the weakest challengers to accumulate titles (ala PBF vs Baldomir, Pac vs Diaz) is a bit soft, especially if there are suitable challengers already in place (Hatton & Cotto for PBF @ 140, and Marquez III, Guzman for Pac @130).

It depends on the individual circumstance.

 

In the Lightweight division there is a guy with 3 of the belts and another with a legitimate Linear claim in Casamayor: these guys deserve recognition as the best in the weight class until proven otherwise just as Hatton did in 2005.

To your 2nd paragraph...thats fine mate and I fully agree. The difference is that Bunce said it as though it was a given the other day when the reality is there are two other guys (Casamayor and Nate Campbell) that must be beaten first before anyone attains the status of being the best at 135.

Bunce has since backtracked after being called out on this point by a few of us the other day.

 

I see what your saying man, but it's not totally true: Bernard Hopkins gained recognition as P4P#1 from 2004 through until 2005 and he was a career MW with the exception of a bout from earlier in his career.

I do agree though that sometimes the division jumping is excessive: DLH merely picked up belts in a few of us, he was not a proper Champion in my book at 160 or 130 as he never beat anything like stern competition at those weights.

Sometimes, however, a move up a division is requried once you have did all you can do at that weight or else become too big for that weight. Duran is one example of the former, Cotto of the latter. There is nothing wrong with any of these whatsoever but I do agree that sometimes fighters move up the weight classes when there is little or no point in them doing so...or else when they have unfinished business in the division they are a part of.