Buncey's "Trigger happy bell man" excuse....

The Molina one was much worse IMO. Because he wasn't allowed to continue for something that had nothing to do with him and was clearly a complete accident by his cornerman. At least McPhilbin got given another 11 rounds to carry on..

Not that it matters much but it was also 50 seconds left when the bell was rung, not 47. But "the timekeeper was just confused" obviously

 

It is a well established rule in boxing that if the cornerman enters the ring before the round officially ends then it is grounds for immediate disqualification. In fact, if I am not mistaken, if the cornerman stands on the ring apron and doesnt even set his foot into the ring, then it is grounds for disqualification. The difference between both examples, Enzo and Molina, is that at least with Molina (as harsh as it was) there is some kind of justification (the rules) for the DQ.

 

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Only messing, I see your point.

I just think from a fairness point of view, Molina was the more unfairly done by because he was just stopped there and then. Sure, McPhilbin should've probably had a first round win but at least he still got to continue after the farce in his fight.

 

Havent seen the Enzo fight. but quite shocked to hear the bell rang 47 seconds early and saving Enzo from being KTFO. surely there is grounds here for a NC or rematch?!

 

I'm shocked that some people are actually putting this down to incompetence. It is clear as ****ing day that the fix was in.

 

The thing is, if the promoter really believes that Clev-Enzo is a big money spinner, then I've got some prime real estate in Homs he might be interested in.

 

The only other time I know of a bell being rung early it was rung by the promoter.

Tens of thousands of fights, hundreds of thousands of rounds and the timekeepers have no problem. Enzo is looking out of it, and the bell rings 3/4 of the way through the round by accident? Tough to believe.

 

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Agreed.

It's amazing how idiotic some people can be.

In my opinion it was one of the most clearest cases of corruption I've ever seen. I would imagine that the timekeeper was told to help Enzo out if he gets hurt. If you think that it is corruption then you think that the promotor sat the timekeeper down and told him to be corrupt if it helped Enzo. It's pretty clear as day in my opinion.

 

Allegedly should surely get "g of the week" status for what happened on friday night.

 

wow. first time ive seen that.

the timing, the clev fight....its one thing to through about accusations of corruption, but that really doesnt look good at all what happened there

 

But equally random stuff happens in life all the time, so just because we have all seen hundreds of fights without the bell being rung early doesn't mean that this was corruption. Sure there should be an investigation, but it is almost impossible to prove incompetence, and if it was corruption then evidence of that will surely be pretty well buried, so I don't see us getting a concrete conclusion either way.

Between that and the short break between rounds, I don't see any way that that can be justified as a fight on which basis to have the British title change hands. For me, regardless of investigation, the fight should be ruled a NC, and McPhilbin should be reinstated as champion. That's no way for anyone to win a title, it was simply unfair.

For me, if Enzo wants to be able to say that he was British champion during his career he needs a rematch and to challenge McPhilbin for the belt again. Whether it was incompetence or corruption (as I say, I'm on the incompetence side, but don't think we'll ever know conclusively) does not change the fact that McPhilbin should not lose his title under those circumstances.

 

Good post, I agree with all of that, especially that it should be ruled a NC and McPhilbin retain his title and rematch ordered. But, hopefully Enzo retires now.

 

When people say we don't know for sure it was corruption, I agree we don't know for sure. How could we unless someone comes out and admits it. But we have to think about it in terms of PROBABILITY. People saying we don't know for sure are talking as if it's a 50:50 chance of corruption.

Taking the potential big money Clev fight into account and the fact that the only other time this has happened has been in a case of major corruption, the probability of corruption is high. On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being Wa**en comes out and admits corruption so we are all 100% sure, I would say I am 90% sure that it was a corrupt sequence of events.