Burned Out from Too Many Amateur Fights?

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  1. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I was recently rewatching Terry Norris's loss to Keith Mullings and was astounded by how slow he looked at age 30. He had been slowing down a bit in the last couple of years, but was still pretty smooth and fluid in his combos and movement, and still pretty fast. He just looked like he was in slow-motion against Mullings compared to how he had used to look.

    Dr. Margaret Goodman said she was shocked by his slurred speech and his reflexes being slower. Norris was said to go all out in sparring, and I've heard other people speculate that his long amateur career played a role in his rather rapid decline. Norris has a reported amateur record of 291-4.

    In his prime, Norris beat Donald Curry, whom was considered the best P4P fighter along with Marvin Hagler at the end of 1985. He lost to Lloyd Honeyghan a few months later, and by the time he fought Norris, he was miles from his prime despite still being in his 20s and never taking any horrible beatings in any fight. The 83-85 Curry was one terrific welterweight.

    People have had various opinions on why he fell so quickly: weight issues and then a loss of confidence after the Lloyd Honeyghan loss, substance abuse, lack of desire, too high expectations in the first place, etc...I know some posters here have said his long amateur career led to burnout as he reportedly had over 400 amateur fights.

    Thomas Hauser speculated that GGG may be slipping as he in his mid 30s and reportedly had 350 amateur bouts. I don't know, but as of now I'm just going to give Danny Jacobs credit for fighting a good fight and almost winning on my card (114-113 GGG).

    For fighters like Donald Curry and Terry Norris, and others as well, what do you think about this? Any other fighters you think were kept in the amateur ranks for too long?
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns and Leonard had the best amount of amatuers . Hearns 163 and Ray near that. Near 300 that is too much.. That is why Hearns had a long career, much longer than Donald Curry.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    David Reid seemed a little off for his full pro career, and his issues with depression suggest he could have pugilistic dementia.
     
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  4. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    i agree with Hauser. 350 amateur fights is bound to show sooner in their pro careers. I feel ive said it 1000 times, GGG has slowed down, tired looking. Haters will say his comp has increased that's why, but its his movement that is catching my eye. His pressure style has slowed
     
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  5. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Does anybody remember Kelcie Banks and his 500 plus amateur fights?
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    Taking punches is any form isn't going to do you any good, but I'm not sure the sheer amount of amateur fights in most these cases is the major factor.
    Most these guys with 300 amateur fights, they were little kids beating up other kids and they were about 1000% better than those other kids.
    Sparring and fighting at the professional level is more likely a bigger cause.

    As for Terry Norris, he'd been brutally KO'd twice in his career by the time he faced Mullings. Who knows how many times he'd been brutally KO'd or buzzed in sparring.
    I'd say the damage was mostly done in pro ranks against grown men. Just a guess.
    I'd also say the damage is done over a relatively short period of time when these guys just start taking far more punishment in training and in fights due to losing a little fitness as they pass their peaks.
    Against strong, grown professionals.
     
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  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Johnny Bumpus had an ameteur record of 341-16. He was shot by age 27 without taking any sustained beatings in the pros. His legs were gone.
     
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  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good example. He seemed to be fading BEFORE he turned pro.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Only so many times you an get punched in the head without it showing
     
  10. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I remember him getting knocked out by the Dutch fighter Regilio Tuur in the 1988 Olympics.
     
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  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Its a nonsense argument regarding GGG. The guy was never fast and was always hittable to begin with.

    Loma's had over 400 fights and is pushing 30 , by this reasoning , he should be slowing down too , except he's only getting better and better.

    Likewise with Rigo. He had MORE amateur fight and is older than GGG , i don't see nobody making silly excuses for him.

    Fact is GGGs invincibility cloak was stripped off him by the first top level boxer he ever faced. He'd still lay waste to the Murrays , Mackilns and Geale's in one sided fashion right now.

    If anything the boxer who turned pro at 19 will be more burned out by the time they are 35 than the guy who had easy amateur fights for most of his career.

    People are just worried he's going to lose to Canelo so are getting their excuses in early. There's a more substantial argument that Canelo , who turned pro at 16 , has more millage on him than GGG.
     
  12. Clinton

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    I remember him, but I don't remember 500 amateur fights. Holy ****!!!
     
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  13. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Actually, I'm amazed that most of these boxers are still alive and able to talk.
     
  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are a pudding, every man ages differently but little facts like that won't sink in to that head of yours, GGG has slowed down a hell of a lot. If you don't believe a simple click or two on YouTube will confirm this.......
     
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  15. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought it was 400, but Banks was the first fighter I thought of on this subject matter. He won the Olympic Trials, but just barely and looked nothing like what I once remembered him as. And was completely blown away in the Games themselves. He was totally shot by the time he turned pro. Also, I can think of James Shuler who had over 300 fights but died from a motorcycle accident so early in his career. Never saw how far he could have gone after the Hearns fight, but over 300 was a lot. Didn't Golovkin and Lomachenko have over 300?