Burns broken jaw

So are you actually going to do something constructive with your allegations of bribery and corruption in boxing?

There are organisations you can approached who will investigate the concerns you have. Repeating your allegations here is taking you no where.

I get the impression you are scared to actually take the next step.

Fear and how we deal with it is a part of boxing. Take Ricky Burns as an example. Think of how he dealt with his fear and pain. Think of how Billy Nelson supported him through his fear and pain.

What would you have done in their position? Would you have fought on or walked away?

You appear angry and frustrated at what you perceive as bribery and corruption in boxing. Walk up to the line and challenge the injustice.

Anyway, New Tricks was good last night, did you watch it?

 

Got rouge traders coming round today with the feds to get a statement off me.

 

Broke my jaw once years ago. No way I would have carried on fighting for 10 rounds the way Ricky did. They will fix it up and im told the jaw is stronger than before once fixed. Don't know how true that is. Ricky will get more chances to test it than me.

 

I'm a big fan fan of ricky burns, but he did not break his jaw in the 2nd round - it happened later.

 

it did seem to me it was a lot later,..even still doing a few rounds with a snapped jaw is crazy

 

do you think Ricky should have packed it in once his jaw broke and accepted a stoppage loss? Not that he would have known the judges were paid or whatever to let him keep the title, but perhaps he was better off losing by stoppage than losing yet getting a cheat free pass.

all common sense dictates that he should have thrown in the towel. He was losing but with a broken jaw he stood no chance.

 

I'm in the later camp as well, but I think it's perfectly possible it was before the eighth.
I remember people slaughtering Barker for the way he went out v Martinez,but I had a mate with a badly burst eardrum after getting coshed and he was so fvcked up I thought he had brain damage,but it turned out his balance was just completely destroyed(albeit temporarily)
And I also thought Ortiz got unnecessary stick when his jaw got mangled.
Deep down I'd like to believe that Ricky knows it was a factor,and not the reason for the way it went.
And he'll know that he must make this right so there can be no excuses even though it seems to be others focusing on it so much.

 

That's a reasonable assertion,but if he deserves credit for one thing,it's fighting on.
I think everyone knows he wasn't expecting the decision,and some people talk on here as if the verdict was his doing.
I saw someone saying he should be ashamed and should hand back the belt.
Ashamed of what? Performing poorly?
And as for handing back the belt,well that comment tells you everything you need to know about the author's knowledge of the way things work.

 

morally speaking he should hand it back yes, but that's never going to happen when you might be relegated to working in tescos as a worthless 30something next year. Everyone needs to look after number one first, totally.

If nothing was at stake, a lot of people in rickys shoes would 'hand' the decision to beltran out of honesty - but its the stake that made the difference, a world title.


tbh, credit for fighting on is a 2 edged sword, its also called crass stupidity for the permanent damage he might have received from further blows to his jaw. I guess he thought he could win it even with a bust jaw, fair pay for feeling confident in his ability if not having the smarts to pull out.

Personally speaking, I tend to wear my honesty on my sleeve and if I was Burns and if there was no title to lose just a dent on my record, I would privately request the decision be handed to Beltran. I don't abide with cheating of any sorts even if its passively/externally carried out, but a title might colour my perspective - I've never had a title (and never will) so I cant say what I'd do!

 

I totally get what you're saying about pulling out for health reasons mate,but can you imagine the sh1t he'd cop for that?
He's also nowhere near as rich as some people think,and with a new baby and no doubt a mortgage,I think he'd prefer to try and do the right thing in the ring whilst securing some sort of financial safety for his family.
You've been posting here long enough mate,I think any talk of him handing back the belt because the judges ****ed up is unrealistic and as far as I can remember,unprecedented.
But I think what you said about requesting the decision be reversed if it was a low level fight is interesting,but you see in the letters section of Boxing News quite a few guys writing in about shocking decisions.It shows a level of decency but I just can't imagine anyone doing it even for a low level area title and the problem with this sport is that it will never be stopped in our lifetime.
Look at how many times they've tried to sort out the ams,yet it still seems to be error strewn with every passing year.
This one has to be sorted again in the ring,because both guys will fight their hearts out with so much to prove.

 

It's difficult if not impossible to judge when the damage happened. The initial damage could have occurred early in the fight and could have been made worse as the fight continued.

It is a shame that a very brave performance by a boxer is overshadowed by the scoring controversy. Now that Top Rank have asked for the decision to either be overturned or an immediate rematch take place it will be interesting to see what WBO decides.

Hearns has 10 from the 9th of September to put his case to the WBO, so we should know by the end of the month what will happen. Ricky will be out for a few months, so a rematch probably could not occur until next spring. He may vacate during that time.

 

get what you are saying but your health comes before **** you get, its given and cant be disputed. Without health intact you don't box again.

Heat of the moment you make bad decisions, yes and that's what Rick did. And its easy to make that mistake, its very easy for men to be stupid/brave in this way, because they are conditioned to believe its the right thing to do from birth.

I know he wont hand back the belt, its hard to think of a guy who would apart from those mythical 19th century Olympic hero chaps who I bet didn't exist anyway, I am just saying that if there wasnt a belt on offer it would be an easy thing to want the decision put right. I would ask for the decision reversed if no belt was at stake. But then I would also be incensed by Hopkins style cheating against me - I wouldn't want to compete with a tactical cheat or a drugs cheat or a paid-off cheat to begin with. Just the way I am, old fashioned, a game/pastime should be just that.


Thanks for the Boxing News heads up, perhaps I should start reading it again.