Business models that would allow a modern fighter to rack up Stribling/Greb/Moore fight numbers?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Probably not, and I don't think it would happen as a broader thing. But if one or two contenders really wanted to build a career in the way McGrain laid out, there might be a niche market for it, who knows.
     
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  2. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Back in the day, fighters would take professional fights in lieu of sparring. So you would frequently see non-title, off weight fights in between "real" fights. Sometimes the same two people would travel from city to city and fight each other four or more times in a row, like some sort of WWE roadshow.

    If there was a way to monetize it (YouTube subscriptions or social media broadcasts are a great idea) you could probably commission a lot of these sparring bouts as sanctioned fights and easily triple the number of fights on a fighter's ledger.

    I can't see top end fighters or even major contenders doing that, but I can see a Contender-style series featuring a roster of journeymen having an ongoing show where they do four rounds every couple of weeks.
     
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  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Yeah, it was the Stribling barnstorming tours that initially made me wonder. (And Sullivan's "roadshow" exhibitions earlier.)

    It makes some sense that if you're one of those fighters who insists on having gym wars anyway, you might as well be paid for it.

    EDIT: The Thais do the same thing in kickboxing. Light sparring in the gym and 100+ professional fights in lieu of hard sparring. It makes sense that there was a similar rhythm in earlier times with prolific fighters.
     
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  4. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Something to keep in mind about the old days...In retrospect, you can say that this guy or that guy sucked but, at the time, that guy was often considered the best guy in his area. So a name fighter would come to Butte, Montana, for example, and fight their best guy. That's how you sell tickets.
    Let me give an example. For years, the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles made money on live boxing with Don "War a Week" Chargin putting on fights. People came to the fights because they saw good fights. Years later they had Yori Boy Campos fight there, the latest KO king from Mexico in a predominantly Mexican market, and he sold a ton of tickets. But he fought some lop with no chance of winning so, when he fought again, he sold about half as many tickets. That time he fought a guy that was even more of a victim than the first guy and his third fight was canceled.
    So, if you are going to make money on live boxing, as a fighter or a promoter, you have to have good fights.
    Also, the way you train a fighter changes substantially if your fighter is fighting every week or every three months. If my fighter is going to fight 4 times a year, the way we manage weight is different, and the way you teach is different. If you have 90 days you can focus on one thing to work on/change, and work on it in sparring, drills and so on. On this program you are going to have at least a week of hard sparring leading up to a fight because the only way to get sharp is to go hard and you have to be sharp at fight time.
    If the plan is to fight often, I would spend 4-6 months in the gym teaching several things that i wanted my fighter to get better at, while the manager lined up fights that would make money and help my fighter grow. Then we would fight 3 times in a month.
    The other thing is, fighting that often would put an end to the weight manipulation games that are currently all the rage. If you are going to fight every 2 weeks at 154, good luck with trying to balloon up to 175, cut and rehydrate.
     
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  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Apropos of your mentioning YouTube, I wonder whether anything would stop a current amateur from just taking videos of his dozens/hundreds of amateur fights and uploading them to a monetized boxing YouTube channel. The amateur/pro rules seem pretty lax these days, and it would presumably net some kind of money, as long as he was planning to have the amateur fights anyway.
     
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  6. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it would work, the fighter is not getting paid to fight , just paid for content creation on YouTube. Now how much interest if would generate and getting other fighter s he fights to sign off may be a problem
     
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  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Yeah. It's an interesting question whether both fighters (or neither, without the other's consent) would own the rights to the recordings. Probably varies by jurisdiction.
     
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  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    It also occurs to me that (perhaps sadly) it might be lucrative in the next couple years for trained fighters to just start picking off YouTube "boxing" celebrities one by one for easy money.
     
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