Douglas is just too well-rounded for Toney. That piston like jab is going to be hard for the short armed Toney to get away from, and he'd go through hell trying to make it to the inside round after round. Douglas has quicker feet and would out maneuver him and fire all kinds of shots at mid-long range stealing rounds. Toney doesn't have the power to turn things around like Tyson nearly did, and I have a very difficult time envisioning him pulling off a decision win. Terrible matchup. Douglas UD.
The issue is mindset. Buster isn’t going to come to Toney, he’s smart enough to know what he needs to do and that’s lay back and be careful. The reason Toney was doing so well with the big guys is because they didn’t know what to do inside where they thought that’s where they wanted to be. “He’s a little guy I should be able to go in and boss him” it makes sense he’s a middleweight after all- but you can’t punch through elbows or hit someone like James coming right at him. Those guys end up fighting in a straight lines, they’re predictable- it’s why James looked like he saw things coming before they were thrown, he did in a sense. Toney isn’t someone you want to be trying to bang out and stay on top of, Jirov didn’t learn that from start to finish- things might’ve gone differently if he’d gone in with a different mentality- I think Buster could beat James pretty easily.
Douglas beat a man who should have been at his apex. Toney beat a man who should have been at his nadir.
I was the key grip on the film Love Bean 7: Jack's Beanstalk Grows, and I will tell you with uncertain doubt and doubtless certainty that Toney actually would beat Douglas. Because Douglas already did it and he was never going to do it again.
I think the world of James Toney but I also think James Buster Douglas at his best was a hell of a good heavyweight and probably one of the most underrated heavyweight champions. He was tremendously talented but didn't always apply himself which was evident throughout his career. I like the best version of Douglas to keep Toney on the outside with his excellent jab. Toney certainly has his moments slipping Busters uppercut and counterpunching when he gets close but Buster wasn't stupid and would tie him up.
Bad style match up for Toney who wouldn't have many countering opportunities with an 83 inch jab pumping in his face.
Tokyo Douglas was only great for one night, but that night would be too much for James Toney. Tokyo Douglas UD
Great for two nights actually show me another Heavyweight who floored his opponent 3 times with a jab like Douglas did to Mike Williams.
Buster by decision. Not sure what is up with all these JT heavweight threads. While he did very well at heavyweight, Toney was a ft10 former middleweight who fought many pounds above his best weight. I think the egde in size, power and mobility of Buster would be too much to overcome for the more crafty but smaller Toney.
In this case I was thinking of two guys that had one or two exceptional performances at heavyweight that are seen by some as controversial (Tyson not training, the long count, etc in Buster’s case and Holyfield being old and coming off shoulder surgery in Toney’s case). For both Douglas and Toney, were these circumstances the reason that both looked so great in those fights? How would those peak versions of each fighter do against each other? This is where my mind was when starting this thread anyway haha.
It’s interesting, all of comments in the thread would make it seem as though this would be a blowout in favor of Buster Douglas, but the pole votes are quite close, with 9 in favor of Douglas and 7 in support of Toney. I would be interested in hearing some commentary from those that voted for Toney and how they see him winning this fight.
There is little to add here, but I cannot see a plausible path to victory for Toney. Douglas much better at HW. Naturally much bigger. Douglas a skilled boxer & mover yet with more power A better question would be how would a subpar & unmotivated Douglas Toney fight play out. Then Toney has a chance.