Buster Douglas vs Larry Holmes

yep.

And a much better corner. superior conditioning as well. But hardly an easy fight and a much different opponent than the face first/sloppy defense guys he usually faced.

 

Who could ever nullify Holmes jab?

 

Who nullified Holmes jab in his prime yrs?. Please dont say Spoon because he was slipping by then.

 

Or ever, really.

 

Witherspoon nullified it. Norton to a degree, especially the second half of the bout when his body work slowed Holmes down a ton. . The other fighters capable of nullifying did not get the matchups. Novice fighter and barely a 10 round fighter Williams nullified and exceeded it. Then Mike Spinks sure didn't get hit any & exceeded it.

And just because Larry is older does not give him a get out of jail free card on the subject anyway. If you do believe that, then subtract some oldsters Holmes fought when he was the youthful guy in the ring---So subtract Shavers. Subtract Norton. And without those 2 names, things are pretty thin.

 

Larry wouldn't like the jab, plus he usually didn't like guys his size or taller.

I see a Leroy Jones scenario, as in Douglas irritates Larry for the first three or maybe even four rounds (might even catch him with a couple of nice, solid shots), but then Larry does what he consistently did: he'd figure him out (Holmes in his prime was sooo good at timing his opponents, though sometimes it took longer than others).

By the fifth round the jab is landing regularly and Douglas is bumming, just not landing enough or flush and having a terrible time keeping any kind of consistent balance. By the sixth the right is starting to land often and Douglas is staggered toward the end of the round. In the seventh Douglas is getting knocked all over the ring, ala Ledoux and Jones, and once Buster ends up in the corner Holmes catches him with a couple of evil, flush right hands. The ref has to stop it, with Buster's eyes glazed over and far away....

Buster was a better fighter when on than Leroy Jones ever was. But he ultimately just had a terrific night with Mike (his mother's death had a lot to do with his fantastic motivation). And Mike DEFINITELY did not take him seriously and, school me if I'm wrong but Mike was also overweight.

Holmes in his prime was NOT what Mike was that night. He had one of the greatest senses for styles in the history of heavyweights, and Buster was one of those boxer types he calculated perfectly after three or four rounds, average.

Holmes by savage TKO in the seventh. That's if Buster trained like he did for Mike.

 

Maybe because any other version of Douglas probably gets TKO'd (or knocked out cold) in less than four rounds by guys like Holmes. Douglas without Tokyo was kind of like post-Ali I Spinks imo. He had some skills, but ultimately was kind of a loser as a boxer. No offense to Douglas fans, just my opinion.

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I think Douglas could have been a very very very good heavyweight. He had all the tools. He was big, had a fantastic jab and excellent fundamentals save the odd outside uppercut. Some diss his power but he hit around as hard as Holmes and co for mine. He got up from a big blow well into the fight against Tyson. He looked really good against Tucker before *capitulating. He had so much going for him....................*except consistent heart and determination.

If he had the championship heart and determination of guys like Holmes, Ali, Frazier and co he would have been a big player for quite some time imo. It's a real shame.

 

my sentiments exactly to the above post

 

@Bummy Davis Buster KO? Care to explain yourself?

 

Holmes by close decision based on his Superior speed and jab

 

I said Buster had one great night and that was against Tyson- he had a couple of good nights but IMO only on the great night he could have KO'd the Holmes that fought Shavers or Snipes Witherspoon-Williams and Weaver - any other version of Buster did not have enough but on that one night in Tokyo Buster was special and my money would be on Buster that night only

 

What dozen would you put forward UF?

 

Norton, Witherspoon and Williams weren't beat "pretty clearly" tho. They were extremely tight close fights and many thought Williams won and some scored for Witherspoon.

Douglas determined like in Tokyo would beat quite a few of the rest but that's opinion of course.